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There have been wide bodies of the recent past, such as the legendary Boeing 747:

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But in numismatics wide bodies, coins stuck on unusually broad flans, go back much further.  Yesterday a multiple dirham arrived, a remarkably wide coin for its time in the 10th century.

Samanid, Nuh III b. Mansur I, AH 365-385 (976-997 AD),AR multiple dirham, no date.

45mm, 14.98 grams

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Going back a little further, there were the reform folles of Justinian I.

Justinian I, follis, Nicomedia, regnal year 13 (539/40 AD), officina B.  From Roma E-Sale 98, lot 1663.

43mm, 23.48 grams

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So, please post any wide flan coins or medals you wish, ancient, medieval, modern and anything in between.

Thanks!

 

 

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Yes I have similar coins that are wider than they need be. This is meant to be half a follis - at least it is in weight.

Justinian Half Follis, 541-542image.png.e08e015e52aeb6754c5de062e2f807a9.pngNicomedia. Bronze, 29mm, 11.00g. Helmeted and cuirassed bust of Justinian I facing, holding globus cruciger in his right hand and shield with his left; D N IVSTINIANVS P P AVI. A/N/N/O to left, XЧ (regnal year 15) to right, Large K; above, Christogram; below, mintmark NI (BCV 203).

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I always thought these were very large, considering they were always shipping them around. Perhaps that's why so many ended up at the bottom of the sea.

Charles II of Spain Eight Reales (Piece of Eight), 1676image.png.a5846388b008721151144506efec8258.pngPotosí, Bolivia. Silver, 40mm, 17.93g. Pillars; mintmark P / 8 / assayer E (Antonio de Ergueta); PLV·SVL·TRA; POTOSI ANO, date, EL PERV (Potosí, Peru). Quarterly of lions and castles; P / 8 / E / date; CAROLUS·II·D·G·HISPAN· (S-P37b). Recovered from Consolación, sunk after striking a reef in 1681 off Santa Clara Island, Ecuador. A delay in receiving coins from the Potosi mint (which travelled by llama and mule) prevented her from sailing with the rest of the armada. When the lone ship, with a cargo of perhaps 100,000 Spanish dollars, heard pirates under the command of notorious buccaneer Bartholomew Sharp were in the area, the captain decided to ground on Santa Clara Island (‘Island of the Dead’), but struck a reef. The vessel was evacuated and intentionally set on fire to prevent it being plundered. From Daniel Sedwick.

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There are quite a few copper coins that are impractically large, in an attempt to include the correct value of metal.

Catherine II the Great Five Kopeks, 1781

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Ekaterinburg. Copper, 42mm, 58.68g. Crowned monogram of Ekaterina II divides date within wreath. Crowned double-headed eagle (Eagle of 1780-1787), Е М, Five Kopecks. Edge: Reticulated (Bit 632).

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I've got this so-called "broad fals" that I won in a group lot for a great price. Turns out it's a pretty rare type and most examples display similar damage (bar the two punched holes). 

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Ghaznavid Empire
403 AH (1012-1013 AD)
Issued under Mahmud
Bust Mint
AE broad fals | 5.61 grams | 30mm wide
Ref: Album#1614

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Not sure if this is broad enough, but heck it is thick, too.

EGYPT, ALEXANDRIA.

Ptolemy IV Philopator 221-205 BC AE Drachma. (75.52g, 41mm, 12h)

Obverse: Bust of Zeus Ammon right

Reverse: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, cornucopiae in front, ΛΙ between legs

Reference: SNG Cop 199.

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 several wide-flan coins...

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Justinian I , Nicomedia mint.

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"wide" Nero denarius

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Antoninianus of Elagabalus

 

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Denarius of Augustus with quadriga on triumphal arch

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wide flan denarius of Augustus with Victory on globe, holding wreath.

 

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A big flan for a tiny coin

 

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Seleukid Kingdom. Ake-Ptolemaïs.
Cleopatra Thea and Antiochos VIII.
Dated SE 187 (126/5 BC)

Obv.: Head of Artemis right, quiver and bow over shoulder
Rev.: ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΡΑΣ to right, ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ to left, bow and quiver, ΙΠΡ (date) below.
Æ, 15 mm, 2,97 g
Ref.: HGC 9, 1194; SC 2275.

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Here's an unusually wide antoninianus of Gordian III at 25 mm (they usually come in the 21/22 mm range)

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Gordian III, Antoninianus - Rome mint, 3th emission, 3rd phase, AD 06-239/12-239
IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, Draped, cuirassed and radiate bust of Gordian right
ROMAE AETERNAE, Roma, helmeted and seated, left on shield, holding Victory and spear.
4,13 gr - 22 mm
Ref : RCV # 8658, Cohen # 314, RIC # 70, Michaux # 357

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I guess all of these are wide bodied, so wide that they are incused into a bowl. Can someone educate me? I guess this was because they could be stacked?

Manuel I Comnenus, 1143-1180. BI Aspron Trachy (billon, 3.20 g, 27 mm). Constantinople, circa 1167-1183. Christ, wearing tunic and colobium, seated upon throne without back, holding book of Gospels; IC-XC across fields.  DOC 13; Sear 1966. 
 Rev. Manuel to left, wearing divitision and loros, holding labarum and globus cruciger, standing facing being crowned by Virgin, wearing robes and maphorium, standing on right; M-TV above and to right. 

 

 

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Didn't get a chance to follow up on this fun thread until now.  I love all those boardwalk flans up there!

Coincidentally I just won one of those multiple dirhams (Nuh II in my case) in the recent Steve Album auction.  Here it is:

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And here are some of my larger-than-expected Roman and Byzantines:

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Amazing examples so far, gang ... very cool

 

=> here are a bunch of either big babies and/or examples with ample flans ... they are all winners as well ... enjoy! (this place is fun)

 

 

 

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Caracalla bulls.jpg

Cilicia Ninica-Claudiopolis.jpg

elephant.jpg

Macrinus.jpg

Mysia Pergamon.jpg

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Rhodes AE Biggun.jpg

Rhodes AR Hemidrachm Double strike.jpg

Rhodes Islands off Caria AE35 Nike on Rose.jpg

Rhodes Islands off Caria AE35 Nike.jpg

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Syria Gordian Tyche.jpg

Tessera Egypt Serapis and Griffin.jpg

Thessaly Trikka.jpg

Tiberius Emerita.jpg

trajan decius a.jpg

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Tranquillina.jpg

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16 minutes ago, Steve said:

Amazing examples so far, gang ... very cool

 

=> here are a bunch of either big babies and/or examples with ample flans ... they are all winners as well ... enjoy! (this place is fun)

 

 

 

1800 Century.jpg

Anonymous Aes Graves Sextans.jpg

Anonymous Roman Republican Janus.jpg

Asia Minor Ionia Ant.jpg

Boeotia Federal Coinage Kantharos.jpg

Boeotia Tanagra.jpg

Byzantine Justin II.JPG

Caracalla bulls.jpg

Cilicia Ninica-Claudiopolis.jpg

elephant.jpg

Macrinus.jpg

Mysia Pergamon.jpg

ptolemy a.jpg

ptolemy IV sphinx b.jpg

ptolemy zeus.jpg

Rhodes AE Biggun.jpg

Rhodes AR Hemidrachm Double strike.jpg

Rhodes Islands off Caria AE35 Nike on Rose.jpg

Rhodes Islands off Caria AE35 Nike.jpg

Rhodes Top view rose.jpg

Syria Gordian Tyche.jpg

Tessera Egypt Serapis and Griffin.jpg

Thessaly Trikka.jpg

Tiberius Emerita.jpg

trajan decius a.jpg

trajan decius b.jpg

Tranquillina.jpg

Nice coins, Steve.  I especially like your two Ptolemy bronzes.

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The 'widest body' in my collection is:

1644-1911 AD, QING Dynasty

"50 Cash"

XIAN FENG TONG BAO (1850-1861)

63.8 mm, 148gm

(next to a Roosevelt Dime for comparison)

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Here is another, more extreme chinese cash coin, especially the reverse:

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Emperor: Xián Fēng
Province: Yunnan
Av: Xián Fēng Tōng Bǎo 咸豐通寶
Rv: Boo Yun, Dot and Crescent
Year: 1854-1861
AE, 3.03g, 22.7mm
Ref.: Hartill 22.1005

 

and this one:

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Emperor: Tong Zhi 同治
Bord of Revenue
Obv: Tóng Zhì Zhòng Bǎo 同治重寶
Rev: Boo Chiowan, 當十, dāng shí (value10)
Year 1862-74
Brass, 27.7mm, 6.18g
Ref.: Hartill 22.1132

 

 

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