NewStyleKing Posted February 25, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) Look at the latest from Roma! Some fantastic Greek rarities with lots of quotidian banal Old Style Athens including one of the Dekadrachm obverse rarity...never heard of that before! Some lovely Tenedos tets, It seems the dating is still widespread. The Eumenes ll portrait tet is a cracker and the Dioscuri on the reversei are just fab. The 2 NewStyles, though nice examples, are a bit boring and my example of facing head of Helios is just as good, if not better! ( Mine looks like Jesus!) Enjoy! Athens New Style Tetradrachm c 138/7 BC os : Athena Parthenos right in tri-form helmet 33mm 16.87gm Thompson issue 27 Thompson catalogue : 288a Rev : ΑΘΕ ethnic Owl standing on overturned panathenaic amphora on which month mark Α control ΗΡ in LF LF - ΓΛΑΥ RF - ΕΧΕ 2 magistrates RF symbol : Radiate facing bust of Helios All within a surrounding olive wreath Edited February 25, 2023 by NewStyleKing 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted February 25, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) C'mon somebody..add to the mix! Anybody an expert on Dekadrachm old style owls? Tenedos tet dating? Edited February 25, 2023 by NewStyleKing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted February 25, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, NewStyleKing said: C'mon somebody..add to the mix! Anybody an expert on Dekadrachm old style owls? Tenedos tet dating? I personally only saw 4 Greeks and 3 Romans that interest me, kind of surprised- was definitely expecting more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted February 25, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 What were the 4 Greeks and 3 Romans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapphnwn Posted February 25, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2023 I am hardly an expert on this series but I will have a go. Back in 1970 Chester Starr took over from where Seltman left off and published his Athenian Coinage 480-449 BC. In this book he catalogued the Athenian coinage from the end of the Persian wars to the start of the "Mass coinage" which we now date as commencing in 454 BC. Though the absolute chronology that he had established for this coinage has been successfully challenged, his organization into five main groups with a number of sub groups has generally not. Starr places the Athenian Dekadrachms in his Group II C Group II has been sub dived into three sub groups A through C. Fischer- Bossert has also studied the Athenian Dekadrachms and appears to be responsible for the dating of that coinage . The Roma coin in question has been identified as being part of Group II A. I cannot comment on the veracity of that claim. Sorting through the Starr Groups I through III is not for the faint hearted. However the length of this coinage is very small. Hoover in his HGC series placed the Starr Group I coins starting in 475 BC and we now accept that this coinage ended with Group V at 454 BC. giving us a period of 20 years. Starr's book very similar to mine. This is the Durst reprint. Athens Ar Dekadrachm 469/5-460 BC Obv Helmeted head of Athena right Rv Owl standing facing wings spread. Fischer-Bossert 18 This coin illustrated Starr Group II C HGC 1585 43.38 grms 31.5 mm Photo CNG Triton XXII Lot 211 January 7 2019 THIS IS NOT MY COIN 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted February 25, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2023 The Fischer-Bossert article is on jstor free and is a helpful read. This is not a link, just what to search for- THE ATHENIAN DECADRACHM Wolfgang Fischer-Bossert Numismatic Notes and Monographs, No. 168, The Athenian Decadrachm (2008), pp. iii, vii-x, 1-3, 5-13, 15-77, 79-95 (139 pages) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted February 25, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2023 Roma seems to have a lot of good coins this time - almost looks like they improved the photography as the Magna Graecia and Sicilians have some quite alluring examples too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted February 25, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 I think ROMA is the best...look at the rarities ! I have, though only bought 2 NewStyles from them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted February 25, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2023 There are quite a few interesting RR coins in the auction, but I've spent a lot already this year, so maybe I can't afford to bid. Aidan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted February 25, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2023 That's the 'pretty' auction, which rarely has much in my areas of interest, and if it does, it's because they cost a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor robinjojo Posted February 25, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted February 25, 2023 Yes, Chester Starr Group II owls include tetradrachms modeled after the decadrachms, specifically Group II.B and Group II.C. Very rare coins indeed! Sometimes I've seen early Group III owls listed as Group IIs. Roma XXVII has some exquisite lots, well out my price range for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted February 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 26, 2023 15 hours ago, NewStyleKing said: What were the 4 Greeks and 3 Romans? Its a mix, but quite a few RR and Greek starting prices were a bit ridiculous, so hence the list is down to 7, where historically it would be 14-20… new styles are just ok this time around in terms of quality… most RR are overprices…and starting prices are ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velarfricative Posted February 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/25/2023 at 8:45 AM, NewStyleKing said: C'mon somebody..add to the mix! There's not really anything at all for me in this sale, one of the smallest Bactrian sections I've ever seen in a Roma feature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkrainiiVityaz Posted February 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 26, 2023 I spent an hour I'll never get back perusing and drooling over some of the ancients and especially the early dated Medieval German gold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordoba Posted February 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, velarfricative said: There's not really anything at all for me in this sale, one of the smallest Bactrian sections I've ever seen in a Roma feature. exactly my thought too, was hoping for some nice bactrians since leu didnt have much either. was a bit disappointed, hoped for similar selection as the last roma auction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted February 27, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted February 27, 2023 I must say I too am a bit disappointed in the latest Roma. Not like any of the coins are in my price range, but there's not a lot that I'm really salivating over. There's one coin that I would love, but the starting bid was above my budget and I'm sure with patience I'll find a cheaper example. There's another coin I wouldn't mind, but I'm sure it will go above my budget. That's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted February 27, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Cordoba said: exactly my thought too, was hoping for some nice bactrians since leu didnt have much either. was a bit disappointed, hoped for similar selection as the last roma auction They have 4-5 but starting prices- are out of control 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted February 27, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted February 27, 2023 22 hours ago, El Cazador said: Its a mix, but quite a few RR and Greek starting prices were a bit ridiculous, so hence the list is down to 7, where historically it would be 14-20… new styles are just ok this time around in terms of quality… most RR are overprices…and starting prices are ridiculous I strongly disagree with you about the RR prices, and I would like to think I know a little bit about the market in the last few years for the last century or so of RR coinage. Leaving aside the early pre-denarius and anonymous denarius issues (with which I'm not as familiar), the condition of almost all of the coins is far better than the usual for a series of Roman Republican auction lots. If anything, I think the starting prices and estimates are quite low. I would expect most of the RRs to sell for well above the estimates, never mind the starting prices. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted February 27, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 But generally look at the rarities? Specifically the Eumenes ll portrait, and fab reverse-the history! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted February 27, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 27, 2023 8 hours ago, DonnaML said: I strongly disagree with you about the RR prices, and I would like to think I know a little bit about the market in the last few years for the last century or so of RR coinage. Leaving aside the early pre-denarius and anonymous denarius issues (with which I'm not as familiar), the condition of almost all of the coins is far better than the usual for a series of Roman Republican auction lots. If anything, I think the starting prices and estimates are quite low. I would expect most of the RRs to sell for well above the estimates, never mind the starting prices. Let’s wait for the auction day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Phil Davis Posted February 27, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, El Cazador said: Let’s wait for the auction day Of course, the proof will always be in the pudding, but if the one RR lot I'm interested in could be purchased for the opening bid, I'd buy ten if they were offered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted February 27, 2023 · Member Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Phil Davis said: Of course, the proof will always be in the pudding, but if the one RR lot I'm interested in could be purchased for the opening bid, I'd buy ten if they were offered. Dont get me wrong- those are great AU+ examples but starting prices are excessive, in my opinion takes two to tango, though Edited February 27, 2023 by El Cazador 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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