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Since the museum has catalogued them I wonder why they don't publish them, they've had them for months! Museums eh! Sounds like 1 Caesar elephant & snake, any legionary coins? I see lots of Tiberius.

I've looked but I haven't one in my collection!

Thanks for that. @Deinomenid. I've had a look and the first 4 coins are from the Thompson early catalogue and quite possibly are a small hoard, then a single coin says it's from an Swiss collection, but the rest do look to be a hoard running down c 119 to c96 BC with gaps and repeats ending just before the really interesting times!

Thank you, very interesting. Wonder where they are today? Not in my collection!

Yes, I have never seen an explanation of why they would want to " copy" a NewStyle! If the obverse is of Augustus ( or meant to copy a Roman emperor) , then it is quite possible that the Athenian NewStyle has ceased to exist whilst the Arabs just carried on. I take it that the Athenian NewStyle was extinct c 42 BC.

https://www.academia.edu/72228037/THE_STOLEN_NUMISMATIC_COLLECTION_OF_THE_REGIONAL_HISTORY_MUSEUM_OF_VRATSA Is your coins here?

Athens New Style Tetradrachm 115/4 BC Obs:Athena Parthenos right in tri-form helmet 16.56g 29mm Thompson issue 50 Thompson catalogue : Obs 639 : Rev ? (altered) Rev : ΑΘΕ ethnic Owl standing on overturned panathenaic amphora on which month mark Γ/Β/Α control ΣΦ below 3 magistrates : METRODOROS DEMOSTHE(N) KALLIPH / PYRROS RF symbol : Bunch of Grapes on vine leaf All within a surrounding olive wreath This the type that was called out by being called "frankly a mess" by Thoneman. Not a fan eh! I love it One of my few remaining Middle catalogue coins.

First Meris types are often found in Bulgarian coin hoards. I think Illiya Propakov writes on this topic and maybe Eugene Paunov , but certainly Illiya writes only in Bulgarian!

The only gold issues of the NewStyle were the ones with the Star between 2 Crescents of 87/6 BC. King Mithradates Vl Eupator of Pontus and Athenian tyrant, Aristion. So when things are bad they melt down the treasured statues of Athena! This specimen is in the BM.

This out of the blue owl on amphora type is very reminiscent of the Thompson early catalogue silver types more specifically the Palm behind Owl issue of c 149/8 BC as dated according to Mattingly. This type of Sicilian AE is known from four obverse types where a symbol or not is found behind Athena’s head Using this apparent similarity this then roughly dates the AE to about the 140’s BC. Historical sources tell us that Rome destroyed Carthage in 146 and finally finished the Carthaginian wars which essentially started over the Carthaginian possession of Sicily. In the wake of the fourth Macedonian war the Achaean league declared war on Rome and was swiftly defeated and as a consequence also in 146 the Romans destroyed Corinth-Corinth was the founding father of Kalakte. This can be seen as a political coin type. In Roman Sicily this is a careful demonstration of Greekness and Kalakte as a member of the wider Greek koinon. The symbol for Corinth is a Pegasos but maybe that was too provocative and dangerous, whilst the owl on amphora of Athens is safer. Athens leadership of Greekness was in the imagination safely but memorably in the past until it burst into flame again with Eupator-only to be finally snuffed out with his utter defeat. NOT MY COIN.

This is a spreadsheet from NSSCA shows the 2nd controls associated with the coins of the late era. The 2nd control is believed to be the source of the silver used, but we don't really know. It is suggestive but no smoking gun! Seems to suggest silver sources are scarce.

In Thompson's Hoards section in NSSCA (1961) Hermes holding Caduceus, Nikogenes & Kallimachos as magistrates, 23 were found in the Halmyros hoard which contained, all Roman-Pontic times coinage from Gorgon to Dolphin & Trident. There is 1 in the "Abruzzi" hoard in the ANS where a section from Gorgon to Griffin exists. This hoard is now known as the Poggio-Picenze hoard IGCH 2056. But what is in the Chieti museum is a state secret and has never been published in its 70 years of imprisonment! It also contains a 2 Ears of Corn. I believe it is possible that it might contain the secrets of the real chronology of the NewStyle. In the Anatolian hoard there is a run from Gorgon to Griffin containing a Kernos, but no Hermes! In the Cretan hoard ll in a run from gorgon down to 2 post Sullan coins which also contains Kernos. In what appears to be a hoard in the Hunterian museum ,Glasgow a group of NewStyles starting with King Mithradates & Aristion, and all the other coins of the rare post Sulla type, except 2 of Kernos! In Istanbul is a NewStyle hoard believed to come from Samsun, starting from Caps of the Dioscuri icontains a Kernos coin and intriguingly a O Demos. coin. Maybe when Sulla won Athens, a very poor die artist was recruited and a issue named in the people of Athens, O Demos as a Sullan propaganda piece and as things were turning to normal Kointas came back and produced the 2 Ear of Grain issue. Then the old die artist was found for the production of the next issue, Kernos The problem with these coins is that they are isolates with no obverse die transfer links. Whilst the Halmyros hoard sort of fixes Hermes, nothing sort of fixes Kernos and leaves suspicions that it actually maybe a post Sullan coin, since Stag by Nestor & Mnaes is definitely post Sullan. Then what to fill the gap!!

Shows obverses in 1961 and now

100/9 Tyche Staff & Cornucopia DOSITHEOS - CHARIAS N** 29 29 99/8 Gorgon Head +++ NIKETES - DIONYSUS M 33 33 98/7 Pegasos +++ ARISTION - PHILON M 30 31 97/6 Caps of Dioscouri +++ DEMETRIOS - AGATHIPPOS N * 47 47 96/5 Winged Agon AROPOS - MNASAGO R 25 25 95/4 Coiled Snake XENOCLES - HARMOXENOS (l) 2 Magistrates R 19 20 94/3 Hermes / No sign NIKOGENES - KALLIMACHOS 2 & 3 Magistrates 17 17 93/2 Headdress of Isis DEMEAS - HERMOKLES 3 Magistrates N R 17 18 92/1 Dolphin & Trident XENOCLES- HARMOXENOS (ll) 2 Magistrates R 42 42 91/0 Kerchnos note 1 MNSEAS-NESTOR 2 Magistrates R 10 10 90/9 Roma XENOCLES - HARMOXENOS (lll) 2 Magistrates R 14 14 89/8 Roma & Nike KOINTOS - KLEAS 3 Magistrates R 7 7 88/7 Griffin APELLIKON - GORGIAS 3 Magistrates M 12 12 87/6 Star & 2 Crescents note 4 KING MITHRADATES- ARISTION 2 Magistrates from now M 3 3 86/5 2 Ears of Corn KOINTOS - CHARMOST * Imitation Restored* 2 2 85/4 Beatyl with Fillets KLEOPHANES - EPITHETES N 7 7 84/3 Harmodios & Aristogeiton MENTOR - MOSCHION 8 8 83/2 Isis ARCHITIMOS - DEMETRI 7 7 82/1 Poppy Head ** LUSANDROS - OINOPHILOS 6 6 81/0 Demeter Single Torch ** AMPHIAS - OINOPHILOS 10 10 80/9 Ares ? ** EUMELOS - THEOXENIDES 8 8 79/8 Stag ** NESTOR - MNSEAS N 17 17

99/8 Gorgon Head +++ 98/7 Pegasos +++ 97/6 Caps of Dioscouri +++ 96/5 Winged Agon *** 95/4 Coiled Snake *** 94/3 Hermes / No sign *** 93/2 Headdress of Isis *** 92/1 Dolphin & Trident *** 91/0 Kerchnos*** 90/9 Roma *** 89/8 Roma & Nike *** 88/7 Griffin *** 87/6 Star with Crescents *** Mattingly 1997 , the top 3, merged onto Otto Morkholm 1984 by me! The top 3 are Mokholms top 3 but re-arranged from Mattingly!