Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 What's the largest Antoninianus you've come across? I don't want to jinx coins en route, but I bought a Trebonianus throw-in which is 25.5 mm. That's pretty close to the largest which I've comeacross. AE Ants also count. Does the enigmatic 'double Antoninianus' really exist, or was that just quality control? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9764409 the largest on acsearch: 33mm 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 That 33mm reading must be in error. 23mm would make more sense. The following coin is only 24.55mm on an oversized flan. That would make the Tacitus coin about 50% larger which would make no sense at all. 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 Double Ants do certainly exist. Here are a few Tacitus examples. Tacitus Double Antoninianus Obv:– IMP C M CL TACITVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right Rev:– CLEMENTIA TEMP, Emperor in military dress standing right, holding short eagle-tipped sceptre in left hand, receiving a globe from Jupiter standing left, holding long sceptre in left hand Minted in Antioch (H//XI) Emission 3, Officina 8. January – June A.D. 276 Reference:– RIC 211 Bust Type C. RIC Temp No. 4096 Obv:– IMP C M CL TACITVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right Rev:– CLEMENTIA TEMP, Mars in military dress stg. (or walking) left, holding olive branch in right hand, spear and shield which rests on ground in left hand Minted in Tripolis (* | _ //IA) Emission 2. January – June A.D. 276 Reference:– RIC 214 Bust Type C (R). Estiot Temp No. 4114 (11 examples) 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevikens Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 If we consider the coins in terms of weight, readers know that this was a double denarius but was issued as coin only about 1.5 times the weight of the denarius. Interestingly the earliest mintages really did have the coin at close to twice the weight of the denarius and in pretty good silver of ca, 50% fine AG.. i have here what are my heaviest . double denarius coins along with a typical denarius of the same time. The smaller denarius of Caracalla weighs in at exactly 2.5 grams, a not uncommon weight for these coins. it is Sear 6805. The two larger coins, one Caracalla, Sear 6805, and the other Juia Domna, Sear 7098, are both double denarii. The Caracalla antoninianus weighs 5.1 grams and that of Julia comes in at 4.79 grams. In terms of weight the double denarius may actually have a been a double weight coin, in some instances and for a while. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 @maridvnvm What is the weight of the Tacitus coins please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry G Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) The double antoninianus does exist, in "regular size" issues of Tactitus, and also in rare joint issues. One of my biggest regrets in coin collecting is not buying this double antoninianus of Carus/Carinus on eBay when it came up for sale 4 years ago. It sold for around £40 I believe It's broken, but I wish I'd bought it, as it's a type I'm unlikely to see come up for sale at a reasonable price again. Edited December 31, 2022 by Harry G 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 @mc9 The examples I have owned range from 3.8g to to 4.5g. It is the mint mark XI rather than XXI and IA rather than KA that gives the indication that the coins have a double silver content, which has been confirmed through metallurgic analysis. They are approximatelt 10% silver rather then around 5% silver on the normal Ants. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 @maridvnvm Thanks. Here i have a coin from Traianus Decius, minted A.D. 249- 251 in Rome, weight 5.46 gr., size : 22.26 mm, RIC IVc 18 p.120 I have put a ? mark on his denomination as antoninianus in my database. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 That Trajan Decius would be still be an antoninianus. It is at the relatively heavy end of the spectrum but there sre many heavier. Many of the issues of Decius were heavy compared to other periods. It is possible that Decius was trying to reform the coinage by making the silver content higher as there are coins weighinh as much as 8gms known. This would have brought the solver content of this debased coinage up to about two denarii rather than the denarius and a half that the coinage had become during the Severan period. This is entirely speculation but after his death the weight seems to return back to lighter weights. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 Thanks, that is clear to me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted December 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2022 My biggest antoninianus is the following one minted for Gordianus III that I got from Forvm years ago, it's 25 mm and 6,95 grams Gordian III, Antoninianus - Rome mint, 5th emission, AD 05-243/02-244 IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind SECVRITAS PERPETUA, Securitas standing left, holding scepter and resting on column6,95 gr, 25 mm Ref : RIC #153, RCV #8661, Cohen #336, Michaux #409Ex FORVM ancient coins Q 11 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonarobin Posted December 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2022 I think my largest is 25mm and while he is out of my collecting area- I couldn't pass up his double eyes. Valerian I. AD 253 - 260 Antoninianus, Antioch; 4.36g; 25mm IMP VALERIANVS PF AVG radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right FELICITAS AVGG Felicitas standing left, holding caduceus and cornucopiae 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 I don't have many over 25mm. Here are 3 Probus Helped by an oval flan Obv:– IMP PROBVS AVG, Radiate, bust left in imperial mantle, holding scepter surmounted by eagle Rev:– SOLI INVICTO, Sol in chariot riding left, holding globe and whip Minted in Rome (R * E in exe) Emission 3 Officina 5. A.D. 278 Reference(s) – RIC 202 Bust type H Weight 4.36 gms Size 25.19 mm Just an oversized flan. Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate cuirassed bust right Rev:– MARS VICTOR, Mars walking right, holding spear and trophy. Minted in Lugdunum (II in exe) Emission 3, Officina 2. November – December A.D. 276 Reference:– Cohen 337. Bastien 179. RIC 37 Bust type F Weight 4.80g. 25.20mm. 0 degrees Another oval flan Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, Radiate cuirassed bust right Rev:– MARS VICTOR, Mars walking right, holding spear and trophy. Minted in Lugdunum (II in exe) Emission 3, Officina 2. November – December A.D. 276 Reference:– Cohen 341. Bastien 178 (3 examples cited). RIC 36 Bust type F (Scarce) Weight 3.40g. 25.71mm. 180 degrees 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvk Posted December 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Qcumbor said: My biggest antoninianus is the following one minted for Gordianus III that I got from Forvm years ago, it's 25 mm and 6,95 grams Gordian III, Antoninianus - Rome mint, 5th emission, AD 05-243/02-244 IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind SECVRITAS PERPETUA, Securitas standing left, holding scepter and resting on column6,95 gr, 25 mm Ref : RIC #153, RCV #8661, Cohen #336, Michaux #409Ex FORVM ancient coins Q That's a wonderful Gordian III. Beats mine: 24mm/4.44g 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted December 29, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 29, 2022 11 hours ago, maridvnvm said: That 33mm reading must be in error. 23mm would make more sense. That very well could be. As of now, this is the largest antoninianus on acsearch. Second place with 32mm also comes from Roma numismatic Perhaps both, one, or none are a misreading. I am not familiar enough with the series to comment on likelihoods of diameters being correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwheelsearl Posted December 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 30, 2022 This monster was about 23.5 if i remember correctly 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhatter Posted December 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 30, 2022 Hi All, the biggest in my drawer turns out to be this Otacilia Severa: Size sligthly over 24mm 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted December 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 30, 2022 This Victorinus is 23mm…but 6.49g, almost like two blanks were melted together… 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughie Dwyer Posted December 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 30, 2022 Not much compared to what has been shown here already but here is a Postumus that feature in my top ten list! At just over 23mm, here it is: 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted December 31, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 31, 2022 This is my largest.. The dotted border of the obverse die is just under 20mm diameter. Philip II... AR Antoninianus 247-249AD(23.5mm, 4.29g, 1h). Rome, AD 247. Obverse..IMP PHILIPPUS AVG...Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Reverse..PAX AETERNA...Pax standing left, holding olive branch and short sceptre. RIC IV 231c; RSC 23 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted January 1, 2023 · Patron Share Posted January 1, 2023 This oblong one of T-Bone is my largest in diameter: Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253. Roman AR antoninianus, 3.01 g, 25.0 mm, 12 h. Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 252. Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: LIBERTAS PVBLICA, Libertas standing left, holding pileus and transverse scepter. Refs: RIC 70; Cohen 68; RCV 9636; Hunter 50. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat Posted January 6, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2023 My largest so far arrived Wednesday 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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