panzerman Posted January 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 11, 2023 England Charles I Stuart 1625-49 AV Crown ND struck 1633/34 Tower Mint "im" Portcullis" 2.27g. 18mm. 1h CAROLVS D.G.MA.BR.FR.ET HI.REX Crowned/ mantled bust left CULTORES.SVI.DEVS.PROTEGIT. Crowned English Arms Brooker 207 Schneider 244 North 2185 SCBC 2715 Last year/ I won a James I AV Unite/ this year his Son. 15 1 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted January 12, 2023 · Patron Share Posted January 12, 2023 I got shut out which wasn't surprising. I was the high bidder on the Wildman multiple thaler until the live bidding started. It would have been nice to have but I wasn't going to spend what it sold for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted January 12, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2023 Congrats on the gold crown - I kinda want one (or even a halfcrown), but haven't pulled the trigger yet. To the silver crowns, it's like the little silver sestertius to the much larger brass ones! I got an aes grave as at Triton - I threw in a bid (below estimate) and when I came back from the gym I'd won it. Was a bit surprised 😄 I'd say I can take a better photo' than this of it. I hope to pick it up on Friday or Saturday. ATB, Aidan. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, akeady said: I hope to pick it up on Friday or Saturday. Just a heads up, I believe you will have to pay NYC sales tax if you pick this up at the show. If it is shipped, I don’t think the sales tax applies (at least that is what the CNG auctioneer said) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted January 12, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just now, TheTrachyEnjoyer said: Just a heads up, I believe you will have to pay NYC sales tax if you pick this up at the show. If it is shipped, I don’t think the sales tax applies (at least that is what the CNG auctioneer said) Ooh - what is the NYC sales tax rate? I suspect it's less than the 23% I'm regularly extorted by the Irish authorities 😄 ATB, Aidan. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 8.5% I believe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velarfricative Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 I snagged a group lot of 95 eastern coins (only 10 photographed). I'm sure it'll be fun to sort through, though for certain I won't keep all of it. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, ChrisB said: I got shut out which wasn't surprising. I was the high bidder on the Wildman multiple thaler until the live bidding started. It would have been nice to have but I wasn't going to spend what it sold for. I was thinking the same thing as those "Wildmen" were hammered down. I was really cheering you on to grab a few! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, akeady said: Congrats on the gold crown - I kinda want one (or even a halfcrown), but haven't pulled the trigger yet. To the silver crowns, it's like the little silver sestertius to the much larger brass ones! I got an aes grave as at Triton - I threw in a bid (below estimate) and when I came back from the gym I'd won it. Was a bit surprised 😄 I'd say I can take a better photo' than this of it. I hope to pick it up on Friday or Saturday. ATB, Aidan. Same thing happened to me during my work season/ I had laid down "Proxy" bids came home after sundown/ first thing check my computer for auction updates. Then that beautifull feeling of success! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailathacl Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 I managed to land one Triton coin only, although I thought I made pretty strong bids on 8 others (was the underbidder on 3 of those). Anyway, I love the funkiness of the design on this secondary sceatta. Here it is: 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 The prices were extremely strong: I was watching Greek Tetradrachms and had about 11-12 on my watchlist- all commanded extremely high prices, and went above what I would estimate to be fair market value… 0 wins for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Bailathacl said: I managed to land one Triton coin only, although I thought I made pretty strong bids on 8 others (was the underbidder on 3 of those). Anyway, I love the funkiness of the design on this secondary sceatta. Here it is: Congratulations on your successful bid. What else did you bid on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleun96 Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 I finally managed to pick up a "lifetime" Seleukid I tetradrachm in the style of Alexander's. I've been waiting to get a nice one that has the full Seleukos legend, a nike instead of eagle, and generally decent style (many are not of great style IMO). This wasn't a main target going in, I got blown out on all of those, so was surprised to win this one for what I did. 13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Kaleun96 said: I finally managed to pick up a "lifetime" Seleukid I tetradrachm in the style of Alexander's. I've been waiting to get a nice one that has the full Seleukos legend, a nike instead of eagle, and generally decent style (many are not of great style IMO). This wasn't a main target going in, I got blown out on all of those, so was surprised to win this one for what I did. Thats a real stunner! Congrats! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 11 hours ago, Bailathacl said: I managed to land one Triton coin only, although I thought I made pretty strong bids on 8 others (was the underbidder on 3 of those). Anyway, I love the funkiness of the design on this secondary sceatta. Here it is: Amazing coin, reminds me of Celtic designs. They really want to impress that this Centaur is a "female" John 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailathacl Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 14 hours ago, El Cazador said: Congratulations on your successful bid. What else did you bid on? I was characteristically unfocused in my interests. My bids (with lot numbers in parentheses) were: Persian-Achaemenid AV stater (410), Byzantine Empress Irene AV solidus (934), Byzantine Michael III AV semissis (947), 4 Low Country gold coins (1130, 1131, 1135, 1137), and an English Edward IV AV 1/2 ryal 1241). As others have noted elsewhere, gold coins seemed pretty heated/inflated at Triton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesiod Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 Picked up this stater for a significant discount (about 65%) of the price that it was (shill?) bid up to at naumann 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Hesiod said: Picked up this stater for a significant discount (about 65%) of the price that it was (shill?) bid up to at naumann Beautifull EL Stater!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted January 12, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Hesiod said: Exceptional style ! Q 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Hesiod said: Picked up this stater for a significant discount (about 65%) of the price that it was (shill?) bid up to at naumann Who shillbid, the auction house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted January 12, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Hesiod said: Picked up this stater for a significant discount (about 65%) of the price that it was (shill?) bid up to at naumann 10 minutes ago, El Cazador said: Who shillbid, the auction house? Great coin, congrats @Hesiod! I do wonder if there may be an issue with auction houses inflating prices this way, esp. on high end coins. You see the same coin being sold at an outrageous price at one auction house and then reappearing, either there or with another auctioneer, often more than once. I hope someone has the time to put together some research on this issue. Exposing it would surely reduce the practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesiod Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Severus Alexander said: I hope someone has the time to put together some research on this issue. I do suspect that naumann has minimums or bids their coins up. They have a bad habit of a lot of coins appearing in every other auction, some of which originally seemed to come from another auction house. Of course, all auction houses do this to some degree, but none seem to do it to the same extant that naumann does (I've seen leu buy coins from their auctions, but it only ever seems to be once – they'll up the starting bid, but if it doesn't make money/is a wash they seem to just let it sell). A couple examples off the top of my head (from memory and from people I've talked to) (though I don't tend to track these particularly intentionally, just on coins I tend to want to bid on). And a series of ex-fruhwald aureii (there were probably more, but the person I was talking to got bored of checking): Edited January 13, 2023 by Hesiod duplicate image. 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted January 12, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Hesiod said: I do suspect that naumann has minimums or bids their coins up. They have a bad habit of a lot of coins appearing in every other auction, some of which originally seemed to come from another auction house. Of course, all auction houses do this to some degree, but none seem to do it to the same extant that naumann does (I've seen leu buy coins from their auctions, but it only ever seems to be once – they'll up the starting bid, but if it doesn't make money/is a wash they seem to just let it sell). A couple examples off the top of my head (from memory and from people I've talked to) (though I don't tend to track these particularly intentionally, just on coins I tend to want to bid on). And a series of ex-fruhwald aureii (there were probably more, but the person I was talking to got bored of checking): Perhaps, buyer didn’t pay and the auction house had to relist it in the following sale? Is this possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesiod Posted January 13, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, El Cazador said: Perhaps, buyer didn’t pay and the auction house had to relist it in the following sale? Is this possible? Certainly possible, but they definitely have an extremely disproportionate amount of this happening compared to all the other auction houses. I've definitely seen coins relisted at the same house before (for example, https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=6429&lot=327 = https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot=445&p=lot&sid=5577), but nothing with the same regularity as naumann. And, if the buyer didn't pay, how come it happens to the same coins 4 times in a row? And why do the coins have very similar hammers every time? If so, naumann seems disproportionately unlucky with bidder's that no-pay compared to all the other auction houses. Edited January 13, 2023 by Hesiod 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted January 13, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hesiod said: Certainly possible, but they definitely have an extremely disproportionate amount of this happening compared to all the other auction houses. I've definitely seen coins relisted at the same house before (for example, https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=6429&lot=327 = https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot=445&p=lot&sid=5577), but nothing with the same regularity as naumann. And, if the buyer didn't pay, how come it happens to the same coins 4 times in a row? And why do the coins have very similar hammers every time? The thing I don’t understand if the previous sale shows $5K hammer, they relist it in the following auction at 2K, are you saying they shill bid and always go one increment above the underbidder? If so, why not just reach out to under bidder after sale and say , higher bidder didn’t pay, would you like to buy for the the price which was your final bid? Or you saying there are employees of the auction house that bid against each other, thus driving price exponentially? Wouldn’t make sense for auction house to relist the same coin multiple times and shill bid again on the same coin, pretty obvious no? Edited January 13, 2023 by El Cazador 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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