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I'll add a couple of coins of Edward III that were most likely struck at the start of the 100 Years War when he was in Flanders with his family and army between 1337 and 1339.  The first coin is an Esterlin and the second coin is a Demi-Esterlin.

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The thirty ninth period starts - year 1350 to 1400.

"Byzantine Emperors":   John V, John VI, Andronikos IV, John VII and Manuel II

Holy Roman German emperors: Karl IV

In China: The Yuan Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty

and many more across the world

 

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Map of the World in the  year 1400

Source: Atlas of World History, Thomas Lessman,  CC-by-nc-nd-3.0 US

 

For two days it is 

year 1350 to the year 1400

And remember: This is not only for exactly datable coins, but for all coins which fit in the time period, worldwide; i.e. all coins which were at least probably/possibly minted during this period

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  • shanxi changed the title to The Time Period Game - now year 1350 to year 1400

These are the first collectable dated European coins. Two earlier dates 1372 1373 are believed

to non extent. The two pictured here are from different dies. The dates on both are on the left

image. Starting with Roman numerals at 6 o'clock.  M CCC LXXIIII (1374).

Less than 20 collectable. Levinson I-3a, Menadier 94, Frey 2

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Medieval Bulgaria. Ivan Shishman 1371-93. AE18

Obv: Shishman monogram.
Rev: Czar monogram.
Mushmov 225.

 

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Germany, Schwäbisch Hall: AR Handheller, issued 1300-1356.

Obv: A Glove.
Rev: A cross with a pellet at each end.
cf. de Wit 2491.

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France - Jean II le bon (1350-1364)

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Jean II le bon - Florin d'or - 1358 (Montpellier)

Avers : + FRA• - •NTIA•   Grande fleur de lis épanouie.
Revers : S•IOHA - NNES•B•(heaume)•   Saint Jean-Baptiste debout de face, nimbé, vêtu d'une peau de mouton, tenant un sceptre cruciforme de la main gauche et bénissant de la main droite.
20 mm - 3,47 gr
Ref : Ciani # 362, Dy # 346

 

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Jean II le bon - Gros à la couronne - 22/08/1358

Avers : Légende intérieure : + IOHANNES - DEI : GRA (deux rosettes superposées entre DEI et GRA)
Légende extérieure : [+ BNEDICTV: SIT: NO]ME: DNI: NRI: DEI [: IHV: XPI].
Croix latine fleurdelisée et recroisetée, coupant la légende en bas.
Revers :  FRANCO/RV: REX. sous une couronne ; bordure extérieure de douze lis.
30,4 mm - 4,36 gr
Ref : Ciani # 397, Dy # 305

 

France - Charles VI (1380 - 1422)

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Charles VI ( 1380-1422) - Blanc guénar - Atelier incertain - 11/03/1385

+ KAROLVS: FRANCORV: REX, (O longs, ponctuation par 2 annelets pointés superposés, N retrograde). Écu de France.
+ SIT: NOME: DNI: BENEDICTV, (O long, N rétrograde, ponctuation par 3 besants superposés). Croix cantonnée aux 1 et 4 d'une couronne, aux 2 et 3 d'un lis.
25 mm - 3,05 gr
Ref : Ciani # 506, Duplessy # 377

 

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Stunning examples, @TheRed and @Qcumbor

@TheRed, your earlier esterlins of Edward III, with the 3/4th views, are the first I've ever seen outside of books and dealers' websites.  And, I hope you don't mind, you just gifted me a fantastic blanc a la couronne of Jean II ...and I'm still stuck without anything for a camera!  ...Meanwhile, I don't have pics of anything else as late as this.

@shanxi, under the circumstances, could I shave a decade from the terminus post quem?  This is closely related to the collective milieu of @TheRed and @Qcumbor

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Philippe VI, 1328-1350.  Gros a la fleur de lis, 1st or 2nd emission, from 27 Jan. or 17 Feb. of 1341.  (The only difference is a reduction in weight --and I don't have a scale, either!)

Obv.  Cross, fleur de lis in one angle.  Outer legend: a variant of @Qcumbor's 'BENEDICTVSIT NOM[IN]E' formula (going back the earliest gros tournoises of Louis IX; 'we bless you in the name of the Lord').  Inner legend: +PhILIPPVS REX.

Rev.  Fleur de lis; outer border of the same (also going back the earliest issues on this module.)  +FRANCORVm.

Jean 'le Bon' was defeated by Edward the Black Prince at Poitiers in 1356, and taken prisoner; he spent several years in the Tower of London.  My example from @TheRed dates to the following year.  Right, still in his name; the fortitude on the part of the French is easier to admire than to imagine.  

His dad, Philippe, was no less resoundingly defeated by Edward III at Crecy in 1346.  ...Except that he managed to escape the field.

A participant in both battles was Thomas de Beauchamp, 11th Earl of Warwick (the last earl in my direct line of descent ...and a piece of work!).  At Crecy, he helped to oversee the wing under the still young Black Prince; at Poitiers, he commanded a separate wing.  After this, and enthusiastic participation in various catastrophically destructive chevauchees in France (Americans could think of Sherman's March), he died of the Black Death in 1369.  ...Evoking Robert de Clifford, a participant in the Scottish wars of independence, who died at Bannockburn in 1314.  Sometimes history admits of a measure of poetic justice!

For the mid-14th to early 15th centuries, English castellologists like to find inspiration for various late, but still non-royal English castles in some of the antecedents their builders would have seen in France --particularly when, as in Thomas's case, the construction itself was largely funded by French plunder.  This is one I've noticed.  It's Caesar's Tower, the main component of Warwick Castle that's most confidently attributed to Thomas.  Although it's on a main corner of the outer curtain wall, the internal disposition evokes a 'tower house' --a late return to the 'keeps /donjons' of the 11th-early 13th centuries, usually including their original residential function.  

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Then there's this, an earlier, 13th-c. donjon at Monthlery, a little south of Paris.

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Regarding any direct connection, including Thomas's familiarity with Monthlery, what I've been able to find in print and online is vague and sometimes conflicting.  But similar parallels are made in the absence of 'smoking gun' levels of documentation, and it's fun as a 'thought experiment.'

 

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On 2/20/2023 at 11:26 PM, shanxi said:

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China, Yuan Dynasty

Emperor: Wu Zong (Külüq Khan)
Abv: Mongolian: Ta Üen Tung Baw
Rev: blank
Value: 10
Year: 1310-1311
Material: AE, 22.83g, 41.5mm
Literature: Hartill 19.46, FD 1733, S1099

@shanxi, I have to love the calligraphy on the entire cash series ...along with various Arabic on legends which no less reliably go sailing over my head (Whoosh!).

Here, the stylistic difference from any medieval cash I know of is marked.  (I'm thinking 13th c. CE Kufic vs. 19th c. CE Ottoman and Indian.)  Could this be attributable to Mongol influence?  Any help with this would be cordially appreciated.

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Serbia. Stefan Uros IV Dusan, AD 1331-1355. AR 1/2 Dinar (19mm, 0.66g, 1h). Obv: MOnITa(trefoil)-InPER SEFA-n; Crested helmet left, with veil, surmounted by tablet, rosette and plume.  Rev: Christ Pantokrator enthroned facing; to right and left, S-T; IC-XC in upper fields. Ref: Jovanovic 11.20; Dimnik-Dobrinic, Slavic, 6.1.9, p.171 (legend variant). One-half dinar or very light full dinar.

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These two pieces are from the Schoonvorst mint. There is a piece dated 1372 located in

a museum. There are others with dates from 1390-1394. The two I'm showing are the

most common. The other dates are known by 2-3 pieces each.

The dates are in Roman numerals from 6 o'clock thru 12.

Lev. II-3  Frey 8,  Menadier 14

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9 hours ago, JeandAcre said:

Could this be attributable to Mongol influence?  Any help with this would be cordially appreciated.

Not only an influence. Külüq Khan was the great grandson of Kublai Khan. He was not only emperor of China but is also considered as one of the  seventh Great Khan of the Mongol.

 

The script on the coin is ʼPhags-pa 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ʼPhags-pa_script

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The fortieth period starts - year 1400 to 1450.

The last "Byzantine Emperors":   Manuel II, John VIII, Constantine XI

Holy Roman German emperors: Sigismund

In China: The  Ming Dynasty 

and many more across the world

 

Historical World Map fom the year 1448

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Source: Andreas Walsperger - https://www.flickr.com/photos/28433765@N07/3418563382/, publicdomain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=17986354

 

For two days it is:

year 1400 to the year 1450

And remember: This is not only for exactly datable coins, but for all coins which fit in the time period, worldwide; i.e. all coins which were at least probably/possibly minted during this period

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1402  Partial Roman numeral and spelled out date

          MILLESIMO  CCCC  SECUNDO

          Lev. I-5a, Menadier 98, Frey 8

 

1411  Partial Roman numeral and spelled out date

         MELLISIMO  CCCC  UND

         Lev I-10, Menadier 112, Frey 14, Frey N19

          

 

1419  MELLISIMO  CCCC XIX

          Lev. I-14, Menadier 116, Frey 17, Frey N23

          

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1421   MELISIMO  CCCC  XXI

Lev. 16, Menadier 118, Frey 19, Frey N251425-mhainzcopy.jpg.d5ecbcf89ea5a694afeee9a23d3edcf0.jpg

1425  CCCC XXV     Only two collectable pieces for collectors.

Lev. I-20, Frey 23

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1429  CCCC XXIX    The start of a 100+run of this coin with this design and Roman numerals for the run.

Lev. 24a, Frey 26

 

 

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France - Charles VII (1422-1461)

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Charles VII (1422-1461) - Ecu d'or - 3° emission de 1424, atelier de Toulouse (annelet sous la cinquieme lettre)
Croisette sur etoile initiale, KAROLVS : DEI : GRATIA : FRANCORVM : REX, Ecu de France couronné
+ XPC : VINCIT : XPC : REGNAT : XPC : IMPERAT, croix arquée, evidée et fleudelisée, cantonnée de quatre coronelles
3.76 gr, 28 mm
Ref : Ciani # 617

 

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