Looks tooled to me

[Roman Collector]

Very suspicious of this one.

Here's the example from my own collection for comparison:

The corresponding middle bronze:

Edited October 1, 2022 by Roman Collector

[ominus1]

..i'd say good call RC..:)

[shanxi]

Yes, looks like

[Gavin Richardson]

The striations—if that’s the right word – – in the drapery look too rigid and sharp. That may not be dispositive. But I would have questions.

[The_Collector]

Yeah I think so too between the Es and T on the reverse you can see what look like ridges. Good catch!

[justus]

A destroyed coin in my opinion.

[idesofmarch01]

This coin was auctioned at NAC 52 in 2009:

The description notes "... traces of tooling..." -- an understatement, in my opinion -- but at least NAC noted this.  Aureo Calico failed to note this, which is at best negligent and more likely, purposely deceptive.  I would not bid on any of their coins.

[Roman Collector]

30 minutes ago, idesofmarch01 said:

This coin was auctioned at NAC 52 in 2009:

The description notes "... traces of tooling..." -- an understatement, in my opinion -- but at least NAC noted this.  Aureo Calico failed to note this, which is at best negligent and more likely, purposely deceptive.  I would not bid on any of their coins.

Can't believe it hammered for 800 CHF.

[Octavius]

 I would certainly not use the words "traces of tooling" to describe the desecration of this coin. It brings to mind the saying, " Well aside from that incident, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

[hotwheelsearl]

5 hours ago, Roman Collector said:

Can't believe it hammered for 800 CHF.

Somehow coins I own that are of superior quality fail to sell at $20 on eBay. I guess I need to change my ebay username to "Roman Antiquities Stop" or something.

[Restitutor]

Oh wow that’s sad 😞 Great eye though. Looking at this listing and others… the descriptions for the coins are all so incredibly sparse. Is this normal for AC? 

[Romismatist]

The coin is definitely tooled - the lines of the veil appear too crudely executed on that coin for sure. I'm also shocked it hammered at 800 CHF back in 2009 (before the recent craze driving prices bananas) - yikes! I am curious to see what price they will unload it this time around, if it is indeed in the process of being auctioned off.

[Ocatarinetabellatchitchix]

In the description,  "campos repasados" means just tooled.

[sand]

5 hours ago, Ocatarinetabellatchitchix said:

In the description,  "campos repasados" means just tooled.

Interesting. I don't speak much Spanish. I plugged "campos repasados" into the Google search Spanish-to-English translator, and the result was "fields reviewed", which seems like it could mean "fields tooled" or "fields smoothed". Perhaps the Google search Spanish-to-English translator is not very accurate, for numismatic phrases.

[Herodotus]

3 hours ago, sand said:

Interesting. I don't speak much Spanish. I plugged "campos repasados" into the Google search Spanish-to-English translator, and the result was "fields reviewed", which seems like it could mean "fields tooled" or "fields smoothed". Perhaps the Google search Spanish-to-English translator is not very accurate, for numismatic phrases.

A more apt translation to English would be: 'reworked fields'.   

Las monedas repasadas = 'reworked coins'.

 

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Herodotus

[idesofmarch01]

10 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

A more apt translation to English would be: 'reworked fields'.   

Even if this translation is accurate, it's the devices that have been reworked, not the fields.

Note that the NAC description uses "surface" and not "fields" or "devices."  I assume that they used this much more general term to avoid passing judgment about the areas that may have been tooled.

Also, given the difficulties of translation, I think that a scrupulously honest dealer or auction house would include the universally used English word "tooled" rather than a Spanish phrase that can be loosely translated in a number of different ways.

[Ocatarinetabellatchitchix]

58 minutes ago, idesofmarch01 said:

I think that a scrupulously honest dealer or auction house would include the universally used English word "tooled" rather than a Spanish phrase

Not sure of that. Many serious European Auctions Houses do not translate their description in English. So every collectors should learn terms like « repasados », « geglättet und bearbeitet » or « retravaillé » if they want to buy coins from foreign dealers…