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Not quite as characterful as your fantastic Pergamon owl but - Bruttium, Kroton, AR Drachm, c. 280-250 BC, head of Heracles right, wearing tania, rev. owl standing left, KRO before, ear of grain to left, 3.06g, 9h (Attianese, Kroton 153; HN Italy 2195; SNG ANS, 421; Jameson 436

It depends on when they were from date-wise. In the 5th century, according to Sally-Anne Coupar from the Hunterian in Glasgow who did a lot of work on the coins and incidentally whose PhD thesis is still a good reference - "hoards in or around Corinth, with the exception of the Isthmia temple deposit, clearly a special case, only ever contain coins of Corinth or pegasi from her colonies in Greece. Hoards in Greece containing Corinthian coins outwith (ha now there's a good Scottish word!) Corinth are nearly always found in or around her colonies. This evidence may suggest that, while the pegasi of the Corinthian colonies were allowed to circulate freely in Corinth, all other incoming foreign coin from tourists, traders and taxes was immediately taken to the mint where it was either melted down or restruck. Price suggests that because no Athenian coins are found in the Isthmia "hoard", the Athenian coins arriving in Corinth (as evinced by the Laurion silver and the wappenmunzen overstrike) were immediately melted down or re-used for Corinthian issues upon arrival. However, the Isthmia group represents a temple deposit, where travellers made an offering in their local currency so this deposit probably accumulated over a period of time, and it seems unlikely that the temple officials would sort through the offering for Athenian coin to send to the Corinthian mint, leaving the Aeginetan and other coins aside. A more likely explanation is that either Athenians did not visit the temple at Isthmia at this time, or they traded in their "owls" for pegasi before they arrived at the city of Corinth to have local spending money for their visit..." etc After 400BC there are a few hoards found elsewhere, and after 350 not surprisingly (Timoleon etc) there's a huge increase elsewhere, especially Sicily and Southern Italy. @NewStyleKing which auctions (*if auctions) are you referring to in particular?

On reading an extraordinary Italian thread on the repeated insider theft of coins from local museums ( @NewStyleKing more grist for the mill!) there were some who were hoping the relevant theft would turn out somehow to be an error, to which a poster replied "A pensar male si fa peccato, ma ci s'indovina quasi sempre..." which translates roughly as "It is a sin to think badly of people, but it's usually the correct thing to do"! In the case of these unusual lots under discussion here, I'm a sinner.

I bought this on your recommendation a good while ago and it's been an excellent and well-used purchase. Thank you.

6) Money illusion is a huge part too of why so many think prices in general are soaring, which is ironic as we are talking about coins! People systematically look at their wealth or prices in nominal terms rather than real terms. It's been shown time and again how difficult it is to think in real terms when we live in a day-to-day nominally priced economy. Nominal growth in the economy is vast over even relatively short periods. Eg since 2000 nominal US GDP has tripled. If a coin hasn't doubled in stated $ value over a fairly short (not even geologically speaking 🙂) period of time it has been "poor". I regularly buy fairly decent Greek silver (and even electrum) at the same nominal price as 10 years ago. No, but I think very recently. The qualification is because I assume - as often the case- the highest quality stuff will have been picked over first. For example this type, which was "unique" until recently and sold for ~2900 with fees is popping up quite a bit very recently including a few examples on the main coin seller sites and - while they've sold well/quickly - prices have collapsed. I may be wrong and I am far from an expert on Aspendos but I've heard similar tales from a few sellers. CNG coin, 2018 PAMPHYLIA, Aspendos. Circa 465-430 BC. AR Stater (21mm, 10.96 g). Warrior advancing right, holding shield and spear / Triskeles within incuse square. Unpublished in the standard references. VF. Exceptionally powerful and artistic warrior for series. Extremely rare.

I'm not dismissing anything, especially about the other types. I do "know" though that an Aspendos hoard is currently being dispersed and the Leu selection of Aspendos coins coming up now is curious in that context. I have a number of Leu coins with great provenance but that doesn't mean they do or don't sell coins where there may be a slight doubt. There are a couple of previously really very rare types of Aspendos coins that suddenly are offered by multiple sources (without provenance) and where prices have as a result fallen ~75%. There's no automatic link at all but a fighting chance of a connection. As for claims of 2005 or whatnot, I'm not sure, just cynical. Maybe the approach Triton took last month where an amazing Abdera unrecorded (and also 2 vanishly rare) coins suddenly appeared as if from nowhere without comment is the better one!

I really wouldn't worry about any new rule. I live in the US with UK businesses and for ***anything*** for US use I do not pay VAT. That includes accountancy fees from London accountants where I'm charged zero VAT. They, if anyone, should know what's accepted practice.

There’s a recent Aspendos hoard currently being dispersed. They are popping up all over but admittedly not with the vast numbers seen here at Leu! Almost a garage sale. (Car boot sale.)

Yes.

It must be an error or at least something they didn't know, and can easily rectify. I buy from 4 different French houses and have never been charged VAT for US delivery.

Less imaginative answer here sorry! Looks like a piece of cud from a die-flaw. The weird "thingy" is sometimes a feature of that. Random example of thingied cud -

Not me, but Colin Kraay in "Archaic Greek Coinage" seems to take it for granted that it is a mullet - "In this aspect the bull may represent the spring Thuria from which the city took its name, for θουριος means rushing'; the mullet which nearly always appears in the exergue below the feet of the bull also suggests an aquatic connection..." and I've seen others say yes it makes sense as a brackish, delicious fish (!).

@filolif I hope this is somewhat related but I was told there are copies of imitative Arabian Athens owls "available" at the moment and also saw similar on the German forums where they highlight Savoca as selling what appear to be Identical copies. These - https://www.biddr.com/auctions/savoca/browse?a=4266&l=5045169 https://www.biddr.com/auctions/savoca/browse?a=4266&l=5045168

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Maybe it's not all a one way street, dear Leu et al. Just got this huge price cut news from Sothebys. Slashing prices from a rather high base but still Sothebys is in a rather different league to Winterthur's finest, so it can't hurt... As a Sotheby’s client (me?) , you deserve clarity and simplicity when buying and selling with us. So today, in response to consistent feedback, we’re announcing the most significant changes to our fee structures in more than 40 years. First, we’ve reduced our buyer’s premium to a flat rate of 20% on purchases of a hammer value up to $6 million – and 10% on any amount above that. This represents a 26% decrease for the vast majority of our sales, and a reduction at all price points. And of course, whatever is good for buyers is good for sellers. For sellers, we’ve standardized our commission rate to 10% up to $500,000 across all categories (i.e., a cap of $50,000 per lot). Recognizing that our largest customers deserve preferred terms, we will waive our seller’s commission for consignments above $5 million, and will also rebate 40% of our buyer’s premium to sellers for consignments above $20 million. And we’ve eliminated our Overhead Premium, which was previously a 1% administrative fee on all sales.

I'm all set but thank you.

Sadly no. This coin is possibly a bit later than described. I'm not throwing my "scholarship" up again Clain-Stefanelli, just the big recent Tarentum diobol study that has your cointype's series described in some detail. It's likely a series g type 203. Rather dry, but there we go. The series has various control marks on the neckguard including yours. The dots are roses, or were earlier in the series and degenerated into rings with tiny holes in them. The dating is from a truly desperate phase of Tarentum's life, between 281 and 272 from war with Rome until defeat. Pyrrhus was around though possibly pushed back by the time of this coin.

They had 600 coins stolen. They kept a list up for a while but took it down - goodness knows why. https://leunumismatik.com/9382hf3wj98fcwq0u721sdcc?fbclid=IwAR3on9em-vwoBLkbl6zQl_tGrOqKZv-psy-qjvvukCtnpuuupb9DAkJOzSo

@NewStyleKingYou can make an accusation directly to them, or to their immediate masters.. I know you have posted a lot about this museum, and rightly so, but you can call them out on it. That - say - you have heard many pieces have gone missing and the only way to stop more getting "lost" is full disclosure. https://ww2.gazzettaamministrativa.it/opencms/opencms/_gazzetta_amministrativa/amministrazione_trasparente/_abruzzo/_chieti That's their administrative transparency site. Heck, they even took Obama through the museum, so use that 🙂

Wildwinds has what seems to be your exact coin shown. If the second coin is yours. Wasn't sure by what you meant "on the right"by CNG. They list it as Marathos, Phoenicia. AE 13.5 hemichalkous. 3.04 g. Dated local year 32, 227-227 BC. Laureate head of Zeus right / Trophy, date in Phoenician script in left field. Duyrat, Ateliers, 83 var. (date); HGC 199 var. (ditto); BMC p. xliii, G. https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/phoenicia/marathos/t.html

There are many thousands of these, courtesy of Peter Rosa, who even named his reproduction (he claimed never to be a forger) company the "Becker Manufacturing Company". I've heard it said that the Bronx is one of the key mints in many current collections.

Here's one from the start of Thurium's coinage once it had removed the more straightforward links with Sybaris. The dating is helped by the letter series "on a few issues belonging to a single well-defined group-namely those issues on which Athena wears a wreath round her helmet, and on which the letters A, B, Γ, E, or I are found either before Athena's brow or in the field of the reverse." Wreath and letter below on a ~442BC didrachm. Just re Sybaris, it's hard too grasp how huge and powerful it was in its prime, beyond words like sybaritic. Finlay noted that Syracuse was vast compared with Athens, but that it itself was dwarfed by Sybaris. "The present province of Cosenza, whose boundaries nearly coincide with those inferred for the Sybarite empire, has an area of c. 2,500 sq. miles.; compare Syracuse at the end of the sixth century, including Kamarina, C. 1,500 sq. miles.). Also, just in case, there are forgers' dies of Thurium doing the rounds. They were apparently recently sold by a central European auction house.

Google translate is a blessing and a curse. It insists on translating "tainia" (as in the headband seen on so many coins) as "tapeworm" in any pdf translation from Italian. Thus many coins are ruined in my eyes, as -say - Aphrodite wraps an elaborate tapeworm in her hair, or the hero xyz, on the obverse proudly wearing his tapeworm etc...

That’s very funny! Many congratulations on the coin. And a coin accompanied by your photographs cannot be a bad read! Stunning shots. Re Apollo or Dionysos it might be worth mentioning that to many Greeks they were interchangeable. Nietzsche really did a number here by separating them so in our modern minds. Some of the “nonstandard” theogonies especially on the Orphic side have almost odd connections. That may be of little value here but I thought I’d throw it out just in case.

That's an incredible first foray! Wow. And 2 Cretan coin threads in a day.... Here's a Cretan stater (around 300BC) of Poseidon, who was closely linked with your coin, as it was he who cursed Pasiphae into the bull "incident" behind the Minotaur. Poseidon, trident in right hand, and holds reins with his left, standing horse //PAV-KION (retrograde) Decorated trident. Le Rider Pl. XXXII, 10