Prieure de Sion

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Ah ok - i dont know the about the different from Austria and Germany about inside country taxes.

It’s not the same as Spain (minimum 6 weeks for documents). Portugal parcels are the same as from other EU country’s like Germany, France, Denmark etc.

That’s true. I pay 7% import tax, when the coin comes from outside EU. And when a EU costumer will buy the coin - I must pay 19% tax of the winning Marge. And MA-Shop take a provision from me (and must add at the amount 19% tax). And at the and of the year I must make my business year balance - and must pay of my complete year profit 14% to 42% tax (Depending on the amount of the profit). So at the end - if you make 50€ profit at a 250€ coin: Provision with tax: - around 15€ 19% Differenzsteuer from your profit - 8 Euro = 27€ And from this 27€ profit - at the end of the year (depending on annual profit) you must calculate 14% to 42% business tax. Lets make a example of 30% from your profit - so it was around 8€ … also you have at the end 19€ profit from your beginning 50€ profit. Welcome in German tax wonderland. So yes - if you ask me - yes I prefer to sell to a USA customer with VCoins. Simply because 1-2 taxes are then eliminated for me. That’s the true.

Yes... if the customer comes from Germany or EU - i must pay for my win a tax called "Differenzssteuer" of 19%. But i dont know before - when i place a coin - was the next buyer a customer inside EU or outside EU. As i said - the different was, that i have at Vcoins 99% customers outside EU and at MA-Shop 99% customers inside EU. So the "risk" for me, that a EU customer buy at MA-Shop was higher - and then i must calculate the 19% "Differenzsteuer" at my winning marge. And thats not true Klaus! MA-Shop is a company based in Germany - and when you get the provision invoice - you get the provision amount plus the German 19% tax (Mehrwertsteuer)! Netto Provision + 19% Tax = Brutto Provision. VCoins is a US Company and you get the invoice without adding 19% tax! So at Vcoins i pay only the provision without any adding taxes. Netto Provision = Brutto Provision.

And at last - sorry I am writing at my handy - it was possible the dealer forget change prices at booth shops. It’s also possible he change the prices at VCoins for some coins - want change the prices at MA Shop and forget 1-2 coins. I do the same … I make some coins cheaper, but forget one coin at MA Shop. So one coin was at MA Shop expensively that at my VCoins shop. I see the error later and edit the price. But if you see it - you want think, why the different prices 🙂

VCoins selling + Provision MA-Shop selling + (higher) Provision + 19% tax at (higher) Provision + 19% Differenzsteuer for winning Marge + Winning Tax for Shipping costs I complete forget - here in Germany (I am not sure it was at all EU country’s the same) the shipping cost was part of the winning Marge! So when I take 20 Euro from you to shipping to USA I musst add this 20 Euro to my winning at this transaction. And so pay more tax for the German custom authorities.

Hello Donna, as a German VCoins and MA-Shop Dealer I can explain. 1. the provision at MA-Shop is higher to pay 2. as a German dealer we must pay 19% custom tax for the provision invoice to the German authorities 3. at VCoins I have 99% customers outside EU - so I don’t must pay „Differenzsteuer“ on my winning Marge. At my MA-Shop I have 99% EU customers who buys - and I must pay 19% called „Differenzsteuer“ for winning Marge. So… a) higher Provision b) 19% tax at the provision and c) in 99% of buys 19% Differenzsteuer when EU customers will place a order. Yes - you are not a EU Customer - but I don’t know that, when I place the offer at the MA-Shop … so it’s a risk don’t calculate that. So yes, for a EU Dealer it’s much more expensive to sell at MA-Shop instead of VCoins. And it’s not only the higher provision - the matter was the two custom taxes in our EU/Germany authorities. I have the same prices at VCoins and MA-Shop, but it’s stupid from me. That’s, because my business is more a hobby than my work I must pay my life. If this was my main job like other dealers - I must make two prices also.

I completely agree with your entire text, but I find JAZ's question very interesting. How long do we need to distance ourselves from the deeds? A somewhat exaggerated example - but a question. If I were to be offered a coin where it is certain that a Roman emperor held it in his hands and kept it himself - even if I knew it was a (negatively) famous Roman emperor who had thousands of people executed in the arena? Yes! Of course! It is a famous emperor - whether negative or positive. Yes! I would even hold the coin in reverence in my hands if I knew that the emperor had also held it in his hands. Would you have the same admiration for an object that came from the hands of A.H. or Stalin? I would not. No! I wouldn't admire an object that Stalin or Adolf had in their hands. On the contrary - it would disgust me. It's "strange". I have no problem with a Roman emperor who sent citizens (including children) into arenas for reasons of faith, sent millions of slaves to their deaths, invaded countries and their populations - on the contrary - but I despise more recent dictators and dictators. Provocative - is there an expiry date at which a despicable dictator becomes a "normal" historical person?

A really interesting question JAZ! Is it somehow morally questionable if I buy an item that I know a bad/evil person recently owned? I think what we don't need to discuss is when there is "blood on" a collectible. If it is looted art that was expropriated during the National Socialist era, for example - or even if the owner was killed. But - to what extent is it morally reprehensible to collect an exhibit that recently belonged to a serial killer or child molester? He had it in his hands - do I want to hold it in his hands too? But what fault should the coin have in this? Or is it - and I'm just making light of the situation? But one thing is certain - I can no longer use the provenance as advertising in the item description - or in other words - I will not advertise the provenance.

I don't know whether that's something to laugh about (at myself) or something to cry about. As a seller, you naturally look forward to every pedigree that somehow promises a name - that you can then garnish nicely in the sales text. This was also the case with 2 coins that I bought at auction. First of all, I would have taken the coins without the pedigree, but of course you're happy to take something like that. And since I wasn't interested in the former collector at first, I just added his name to the text and wanted to do some research later. Who knows - maybe the collector was known. However, I didn't realise then that the man was really famous. And unfortunately also notorious. The former owner of the two coins is Prof Dr V.J.A. Flynn - and I would have preferred to have taken a closer look beforehand. Have "fun" reading: https://kvramakrishnarao.wordpress.com/2022/02/17/the-historical-case-of-prof-v-j-a-flynn-a-friend-of-many-indian-historians-arrested-for-smuggling-jailed-and-deported-to-australia-for-further-proceedings/ A criminal, a smuggler, apparently - and now it's no longer funny - a paedophile. Did the seller know who he had given as the provenance? Yes, that's the way it is with pedigrees. You hope for great names - and then you can very quickly get a well-known name, which then becomes undesirably "famous". Oh man, that's what you call shooting yourself in the foot.

I just expect a good Hollywood film - which somehow has something to do with Roman antiquity, then I won't be disappointed. When I read in the plot that Lucilla's son - Verus - is lost somewhere in the forest and suddenly reappears - at the time of Caracalla and Getra, then I suspect the worst historically. I already made the mistake with Gladiator Part 1 of expecting too much historical stuff. When I watched Gladiator 1 for the first time, I was completely disappointed, even annoyed (because of the historical inaccuracy). Once I accepted that it was simply a good action film with Romans - I made my peace with this film. But some historical inaccuracies are simply terrible in some films. Yes, I understand that if you only went 1:1 historically, the general public would fall asleep in the cinema. But for me, the best example is still the ROME series. There is so much in the series that is not historical - but the producers and writers have done the story so well - even without a historical background - that you don't want to write out loud every 10 minutes. That's not the case with many other Roman films - which are so illogical and bad. A very bad example of completely illogical plots and Teutons disguised as Vikings is the second instalment of "Barbarians". As written. I expect an action film with Romans. Then I won't be disappointed by Gladiator 2. But I'm afraid - if they portray Caracalla or Geta as clowns and idiots, I'll probably bite the back of my chair again.

Yes! A official film trailer? With battle scenes - as example - from lord of the rings? Not really. And correct history? Lucius Verus comes back to Caracalla and Geta. It’s a Hollywood Film - I don’t think with this constellation (Verus Caracalla Gera) we get a historical correct Dokumentation 🙂

Anyone can post as many ID questions as they like in this forum - I think everyone is welcome. But it would be very helpful, also for the people who want to help you, if you would write some meaningful headings for your posts. It's also a kind of respect towards other users. They are taking their lifetime your "??" threads. And - which is also nice and respectful - if you also write some text thanking the users for their help in all the ID help threads. These users deserve that too. No offence meant, no attack. Just an "advice". My 2 cent 😉