John060167 Posted May 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Hey, I am John. Saw this is a new “alternative” to cointalk, and since I have been trying to join there forever but never could, well they can just suck it then! Anyway, Id like to share a new pickup…I picked up an upgrade to my only coin of Claudius, which is a bronze as. The upgrade is a Claudius denarius! Claudius in denarii is tough to get, alongside Caligula… so I was pretty stoked when I won it for a good price! Anyhow, here is some info on the coin: Roman Imperial: Claudius (r.41-54) AR denarius, 19mm, 3.66g struck 51-52, Rome mint. RIC I 62 Obv: TI CLAVD CAESAR AVG P M TR P XI IMP P P COS V, laureate head of Claudius to right Rev: PACI AVGVSTAE, Pax/Nemesis advancing to right, holding drapery and pointing caduceus at snake. About the coin itself, it is not perfect but it is still in pretty nice shape overall! Well struck and centered, decent grade, good weight and solid silver (a lot of Claudius denarii from this era tend to be fourrees as they were made in high numbers in Britain during Claudius’ invasion, so keep that in mind. They tend to be too underweight compared to genuine silver examples, often under 3g, sometimes a bit over. You can also see base metal exposure often too. ) The main issue with this coin is some uneven toning and black spots but otherwise nice! A bit about Claudius. Claudius had some physical disabilities and was never taken seriously by his family, hence why he survived the various persecutions of both Tiberius and Caligula. Nobody ever figured he would take the imperial purple for himself, so he was never seen as a threat. When the Praetorians were looking for a replacement for Caligula, they saw Claudius as the perfect man since they figured they could make him their puppet. However Claudius turned out to be much more competent than people imagined, he did a lot during his time as emperor participating in court cases and making various decrees often and even successfully invaded Britannia, something Caesar 100 years before did not even succcessfully do! Overall I have great respect for Claudius as he is like an underdog who everyone grossly underestimated due to his disabilities, but turned out to be pretty competent, arguably just behind Augustus himself! Do you have any denarii of Claudius, or any julio claudians for that matter? Cheers! Edited June 17, 2022 by John060167 35 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted May 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, John060167 said: Hey, I am John. Saw this is a new “alternative” to cointalk, and since I have been trying to join there forever but never could, well they can just suck it then! Anyway, Id like to share a new pickup…I picked up an upgrade to my only coin of Claudius, which is a bronze as. The upgrade is a Claudius denarius! Claudius in denarii is tough to get, alongside Caligula… so I was pretty stoked when I somehow managed to get a dealer selling this coin to discount about 40% of his ask! (Sometimes its just worth to ask for a discount lol) Anyhow, here is some info on the coin: Roman Imperial: Claudius (r.41-54) AR denarius, 17mm, 3.35g struck 46-47, Rome mint. RIC I 41 Obv:TI CLAVD CAESAR AVG P M TR P VI IMP XI, laureate head of Claudius right. Rev: SPQR PP OB CS, legend in three lines surrounded by oak wreath. About the coin itself, it is not perfect but it is still in pretty nice shape overall! Well struck and centered, decent grade, good weight and solid silver (a lot of Claudius denarii from this era tend to be fourrees as they were made in high numbers in Britain during Claudius’ invasion, so keep that in mind. They tend to be too underweight compared to genuine silver examples, often under 3g, sometimes a bit over. You can also see base metal exposure often too. ) The main issue with this coin is it has some pitting and a flan flaw on the obv but besides that it is pretty nice! For those wondering what the SPQR PP OBCS thing means; it stands for Senatus Populus Que Romanus Pater Patriae Ob Civis Servatos, meaning: From the senate and the roman people to the father of the nation, savior of the people. It is apparently thanking him for saving the lives of roman citizens, similarly to how Augustus was given the same thanks years before. This is because after Caligula’s assasination, the Roman Empire could have been embroiled in internal conflict figuring out what to do next, who should have been the next princeps, even what form of government should replace the princeps, etc. that is until the praetorians presented Claudius as their guy. Claudius had some physical disabilities and was never taken seriously by his family, hence why he survived the various persecutions of both Tiberius and Caligula. Nobody ever figured he would take the imperial purple for himself, so he was never seen as a threat. When the Praetorians were looking for a replacement for Caligula, they saw Claudius as the perfect man since they figured they could make him their puppet. However Claudius turned out to be much more competent than people imagined, he did a lot during his time as emperor participating in court cases and making various decrees often and even successfully invaded Britannia, something Caesar 100 years before did not even succcessfully do! Overall I have great respect for Claudius as he is like an underdog who everyone grossly underestimated due to his disabilities, but turned out to be pretty competent, arguably just behind Augustus himself! Do you have any denarii of Claudius, or any julio claudians for that matter? Cheers! Really loving that reverse design. Btw, welcome to the forum! Edited May 28, 2022 by Riley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted May 28, 2022 · Patron Share Posted May 28, 2022 Welcome to ACC, @John060167, and congratulations on the coin!! Denarii of the Julio-Claudians are indeed in high demand and therefore pricy! For all the hundreds of Roman coins in my numophylacium, I don't yet have a denarius of Claudius I. 😮 I get distracted ... 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted May 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 28, 2022 Welcome to the forum! That is a great coin. (I believe I recognize it, great dealer too!) Congrats! I also like collection coins of Claudius. I have a number of them, but no denarii yet. Perhaps someday! Here's one of my Claudius coins: 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientNumis Posted May 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 28, 2022 5 hours ago, John060167 said: Hey, I am John. Saw this is a new “alternative” to cointalk, and since I have been trying to join there forever but never could, well they can just suck it then! Anyway, Id like to share a new pickup…I picked up an upgrade to my only coin of Claudius, which is a bronze as. The upgrade is a Claudius denarius! Claudius in denarii is tough to get, alongside Caligula… so I was pretty stoked when I somehow managed to get a dealer selling this coin to discount about 40% of his ask! (Sometimes its just worth to ask for a discount lol) Anyhow, here is some info on the coin: Roman Imperial: Claudius (r.41-54) AR denarius, 17mm, 3.35g struck 46-47, Rome mint. RIC I 41 Obv:TI CLAVD CAESAR AVG P M TR P VI IMP XI, laureate head of Claudius right. Rev: SPQR PP OB CS, legend in three lines surrounded by oak wreath. About the coin itself, it is not perfect but it is still in pretty nice shape overall! Well struck and centered, decent grade, good weight and solid silver (a lot of Claudius denarii from this era tend to be fourrees as they were made in high numbers in Britain during Claudius’ invasion, so keep that in mind. They tend to be too underweight compared to genuine silver examples, often under 3g, sometimes a bit over. You can also see base metal exposure often too. ) The main issue with this coin is it has some pitting and a flan flaw on the obv but besides that it is pretty nice! For those wondering what the SPQR PP OBCS thing means; it stands for Senatus Populus Que Romanus Pater Patriae Ob Civis Servatos, meaning: From the senate and the roman people to the father of the nation, savior of the people. It is apparently thanking him for saving the lives of roman citizens, similarly to how Augustus was given the same thanks years before. This is because after Caligula’s assasination, the Roman Empire could have been embroiled in internal conflict figuring out what to do next, who should have been the next princeps, even what form of government should replace the princeps, etc. that is until the praetorians presented Claudius as their guy. Claudius had some physical disabilities and was never taken seriously by his family, hence why he survived the various persecutions of both Tiberius and Caligula. Nobody ever figured he would take the imperial purple for himself, so he was never seen as a threat. When the Praetorians were looking for a replacement for Caligula, they saw Claudius as the perfect man since they figured they could make him their puppet. However Claudius turned out to be much more competent than people imagined, he did a lot during his time as emperor participating in court cases and making various decrees often and even successfully invaded Britannia, something Caesar 100 years before did not even succcessfully do! Overall I have great respect for Claudius as he is like an underdog who everyone grossly underestimated due to his disabilities, but turned out to be pretty competent, arguably just behind Augustus himself! Do you have any denarii of Claudius, or any julio claudians for that matter? Cheers! John!!! That's a lovely coin (think I saw it on the discord 🙂) So so glad to see you here, and really happy you could join. Wow there are more and more great new members here every day 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted May 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 28, 2022 Sweet! Well, we're all new here! And agreed, they can suck it🍆! Here's my fourée: 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted May 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 28, 2022 Welcome @John060167! My only Claudius... CLAUDIUSRI Claudius 41-54 Ae As 28mm LIBERTAS AVGVSTA holding pileus S-C RIC 113 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idesofmarch01 Posted May 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 28, 2022 9 hours ago, John060167 said: About the coin itself, it is not perfect but it is still in pretty nice shape overall! Well struck and centered, decent grade, good weight and solid silver (a lot of Claudius denarii from this era tend to be fourrees as they were made in high numbers in Britain during Claudius’ invasion, so keep that in mind. They tend to be too underweight compared to genuine silver examples, often under 3g, sometimes a bit over. You can also see base metal exposure often too. ) The main issue with this coin is it has some pitting and a flan flaw on the obv but besides that it is pretty nice! Claudius is one of my favorite emperors despite his somewhat checkered reputation (partially due to that ancient gossip Suetonius). I agree your coin is in pretty nice shape overall and I wouldn't be too concerned about the pitting as long as the coin isn't exhibiting porosity. In addition, the obverse is my personally preferred Claudius portrait, regardless of the fact that occasionally other portraits are considered slightly more artistic; my aureus and denarius both have this style of obverse portrait. 19 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted May 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, idesofmarch01 said: Claudius is one of my favorite emperors despite his somewhat checkered reputation (partially due to that ancient gossip Suetonius). I agree your coin is in pretty nice shape overall and I wouldn't be too concerned about the pitting as long as the coin isn't exhibiting porosity. In addition, the obverse is my personally preferred Claudius portrait, regardless of the fact that occasionally other portraits are considered slightly more artistic; my aureus and denarius both have this style of obverse portrait. We need something better than a "like" for this!! That is an outstanding coin!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted May 29, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 29, 2022 That's a wonderful denarius! I have no Claudius I denarii -- way too expensive! Only a couple of bronze asses and a couple of Roman Alexandrian tetradrachms. Claudius I AE As, AD 42, Rome Mint. Obv. Bare head left, TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP P P / Rev. Libertas standing facing, head right, holding pileus in right hand, left hand extended, LIBERTAS AVGVSTA / S - C. RIC I 113, Sear RCV I 1860, BMCRE 202. 31.62 mm., 11.18 g.Claudius I AE As, AD 42-54, Spanish Mint. Obv. Bare head left, TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP / Rev. Minerva advancing right, brandishing spear & holding shield, S - C across fields. RIC I 116, Sear RCV I 1862, BMCRE 206. 26.7 mm., 8.99 g. Claudius I, billon [Sear]/AR [RPC] Tetradrachm, Year 2 [41/42 AD], Alexandria, Egypt Mint. Obv. Laureate head right, ΤΙ ΚΛΑVΔΙ ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒΑ ΓΕΡΜΑΝΙ ΑVΤΟΚΡ around, LΒ [Year 2] under chin / Rev. Draped bust of Antonia [Claudius’s mother] right, ΑΝΤΩΝΙΑ upwards to left, ΣΕΒΑΣΤΗ downwards to right. ); https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/5117; Emmett 73.2 [Emmett, Keith, Alexandrian Coins (Lodi, WI, 2001)]; Sear RCV I 1868 (ill.); Sear GIC 492 (ill.) [D. Sear, Greek Imperial Coins and their Values (1982)]; BMC 16 Alexandria 65 at p. 9 [Poole, Reginald Stuart, A Catalog of the Greek Coins in the British Museum, Vol. 16, Alexandria (London, 1892)]; K & G 12.3 [Kampmann, Ursula & Ganschow, Thomas, Die Münzen der römischen Münzstätte Alexandria (2008)]; Milne 61-64 at p. 3 [Milne, J.G., Catalogue of Alexandrian Coins (Oxford 1933, reprint with supplement by Colin M. Kraay, 1971)]; Dattari (Savio) 114 [Savio, A. ed., Catalogo completo della collezione Dattari Numi Augg. Alexandrini (Trieste, 2007)]. 24 mm., 11.25 g.Claudius I, billon [Sear & others]/AR [RPC] Tetradrachm, Year 4 [43/44 AD], Alexandria, Egypt Mint. Obv. Laureate head right, ΤΙ ΚΛΑVΔΙ ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒΑ ΓΕΡΜΑΝΙ ΑVΤΟΚΡ around, LΔ [Year 4] under chin / Rev. Messalina [Third wife of Claudius and mother of Britannicus] as Demeter, standing facing, head left, wearing long chiton, leaning left elbow on short column, holding grain ears in left arm and two standing children [representing Claudia Octavia and Britannicus*] on outstretched right hand; to left, lituus; ΜΕΣΣΑΛΙΝΑ ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒΑΣ. RPC [Roman Provincial Coinage] Vol. I 5146 (1992); RPC I Online at https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/5146; Emmett 74.4 [Emmett, Keith, Alexandrian Coins (Lodi, WI, 2001)]; Milne 93 at p. 3 [Milne, J.G., Catalogue of Alexandrian Coins (Oxford 1933, reprint with supplement by Colin M. Kraay, 1971)]; K&G 12.36 [Kampmann, Ursula & Ganschow, Thomas, Die Münzen der römischen Münzstätte Alexandria (2008)]; Dattari (Savio) 126198 [Savio, A. ed., Catalogo completo della collezione Dattari Numi Augg. Alexandrini (Trieste, 2007)]; Köln 82 [Geissen, A., Katalog alexandrinischer Kaisermünzen, Köln, Band I (Augustus-Trajan) (Cologne, 1974); Sear RCV I 1869 [Year 6; ill. of Year 2 w/lituus at p. 369.] 23 mm., 13.02 g., 12 h.*Her two children with Claudius, both born before Year 4 of Claudius’s reign; Claudia Octavia later became the Emperor Nero’s first wife. See note in Sear RCV I at p. 369. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted May 29, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2022 It's quite a coup to score a Claudius denarius! I've never been willing to pony up. Still, I'm content with my other coins of his. My two favourites are this As and quadrans: 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John060167 Posted May 29, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted May 29, 2022 thanks for sharing guys! Ive really been looking for a cointalk like community that I could actually join in myself, so happy to be here! @CPK @DonnaML @Alegandronyou all have very nice asses, thanks for sharing them to me! haha…hope that doesnt sound too weird. My as of claudius is pretty rough, got it in a trade with a friend…same or at least similar variety to yours @Severus Alexander, here it is! @idesofmarch01your denarius blows me away, really high quality coin! Not to mention you have an aureus? Congrats…have a picture of that? @Ryro Thanks for sharing that fourree, as far as Im aware they were made in Romano Britain following the invasion and due to the large influx of Romans coming in, they had to supplement the population with this kind of coinage. Im assuming this wasnt officially sanctioned(?) but the fourrees of this era seem to be of pretty good quality, sometimes it is not easy to tell them apart if the base core isn’t exposed or weight being too light. It is an interesting series, I do have a few questions about these types. If anyone knows of any papers or books that talks about the topic, please let me know! Cheers 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted May 29, 2022 · Patron Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, John060167 said: you all have very nice asses, ..hahaha...i think i'm gonna luv this place >< Edited May 29, 2022 by ominus1 misspelling 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted May 29, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, ominus1 said: ..hahaha...i think i'm gonna luv this place >< Yessir! @Restitutor has created JUUUST the right environment! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted May 29, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2022 Despite its (minor) flaws, I would love a denarius as yours @John060167 I have two Claudius middle bronzes : Claudius, Dupondius TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP, head leftCERES AVGVSTA, Ceres, veiled and draped, seated left on ornamental throne, holding two corn-ears and a long torch, S C in exergue.11,20 grRef : RCV # 1855, RIC # 94 Claudius, As produced at a "branch mint", AD 41-42 TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP, Bare head of Claudius left CONSTANTIAE AVGVSTI, Constantia helmeted standing left holding spear, SC in field 10,84 gr Ref : RCV #1857, Cohen #14 For better understanding of where this might have been minted, see : http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=65318.0 Q 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted May 29, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Welcome! I don't have a denarius of Claudius, but here are a couple of other examples from my collection: Claudius Æ as 42-43 AD Minted at Rome Obverse: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP P P; Bare head left. Reverse: LIBERTAS AVGVSTA, S-C; Libertas standing facing with pileus, extending left hand. References: RIC I 113; Cohen 47; BMCRE 202; von Kaenel Type 77; CBN 230; Cohen 47; Sear (Roman Coins and Their Values I) 1860. 28mm; 11.1g Claudius Æ as 41-50 AD Obverse: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP; Bare head of Claudius left. Reverse: S-C; Minerva, helmeted and draped, advancing right, levelling javelin in right hand and shield in left. References: RIC 100; BMC 149; BN 180; Sear 639. 27mm; 10.95g Edited May 29, 2022 by Jeremy 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idesofmarch01 Posted May 29, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, John060167 said: Not to mention you have an aureus? Congrats…have a picture of that? Part of my 12 Caesars collection is a "mint set" (my designation) of Claudius's coins. For those who haven't seen these too many times already on the previous website: 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted May 29, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2022 Always glad to see them @idesofmarch01 : no harm in dreaming !! Q 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romancollector Posted May 29, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 29, 2022 Here's my only Claudius denarius....it's not quite as impressive as Ides', but a nice coin nonetheless. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edessa Posted July 6, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 Welcome and beautiful coins, all. Some Claudius Tets are a bit more attainable than nice denarii. A nice Claudius denarius has been on my want list for years! Roman Asia Minor, Ionia, Ephesus. Claudius, with Agrippina Junior, AD 49-54. AR Cistophoric Tetradrachm (25mm, 10.71g, 6h). Ephesus mint. Struck circa AD 50-51. Obv: TI CLAVD CAES AVG AGRIPP AVGVSTA; Laureate head of Claudius and draped bust of Agrippina left, conjoined. Rev: DIANA EPHESIA; Cult statue of Diana (Artemis) Ephesia. Ref: RIC I 119; RPC I 2224; RSC 1. Very Fine, nice toning. Ex WAG Auction, February 2009, Lot 193. 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etcherdude Posted July 6, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 My Claudius Claudius. AD 41-54. Æ As (27mm, 12.33 g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck AD 41-42. Bare head left / Libertas standing right, holding pileus and extending left hand. RIC I 97; von Kaenel Type 62. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientOne Posted July 6, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 6, 2022 Welcome and nice hard to get denarius! Iv'e posted this one more than a few times but hey, it's for the new guy! Achaea. Laconia, Lacedaemon(Sparta). Claudius Æ25. Piloi of the Dioscuri. Obv: TI KLAVDIOC KAICAP; laureate bust right. Rev: EΠI ΛAKΩNOΣ; piloi of the Dioscuri; two stars above (Upside down). Magistrate Lacon RPC 1115 var. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavius Posted July 7, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 Claudius is one of my favorite emperors - second only to Nero. I would highly recommend the old classics by Robert Graves, I Claudius , and Claudius The God, for anyone interested in Claudius or any of the Julio-Claudians for that matter. It is a great way to learn who's who and how they all are related to each other. Here is a selection of several of his denominations... aureus announcing his successor Nero Denarius with Praetorian camp Two of his sestertii Dupondius with Ceres reverse Three different types of his asses... 7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevalier Posted July 7, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 5/28/2022 at 11:20 PM, Ryro said: Sweet! Well, we're all new here! And agreed, they can suck it🍆! Here's my fourée: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevalier Posted July 7, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 7, 2022 Claudius. Denario forrado. 50-51 AD. Lugdunum. (Spink-1848 var). (Ric-60). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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