MrZun Posted May 16 · Member Share Posted May 16 Just wondering about that, these chocolate patinas seems to have been made artificially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted May 16 · Supporter Share Posted May 16 Neither looks artificial to me. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted May 16 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 16 Toning rather than an applied patina. Some collectors find them quite desirable. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted May 16 · Member Share Posted May 16 Why bother to blur the written name of the dealer if you keep the cover design and logo showing the name clearly. 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted May 16 · Member Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, MrZun said: Just wondering about that, these chocolate patinas seems to have been made artificially Why do you think that? Is this just a feeling of yours? Or do you also have "technical" arguments to support your assertion? If you have doubts about a seller goods and see fraud, you should be able to justify this technically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ela126 Posted May 16 · Member Share Posted May 16 does anyone falsely tone silver? is this what "Egging the coin" is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broucheion Posted May 16 · Member Share Posted May 16 Hi @MrZun, I'd be much more concerned with the crystallization shown by the chip on the second Vespasian coin. - Broucheion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZun Posted May 16 · Member Author Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, seth77 said: Why bother to blur the written name of the dealer if you keep the cover design and logo showing the name clearly. Yeah i missed that part lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Posted May 16 · Supporter Share Posted May 16 8 hours ago, MrZun said: Just wondering about that, these chocolate patinas seems to have been made artificially Take a look at the leaves on the laurel wreath on Vespasian's head. These are the high contact points and bright which would be normal during handling ( which is why some collectors slab). If the coin was recently artificially toned you would not see this unless the toning was so thin and poor that handling rubbed it off quickly. The other issue is that you cannot form a perfect opinion from a photograph. "Chocolate" is an unusual colour for a silver coin, black, grey and maybe blue yes but I've not got a chocolate one in a collection of hundreds. My photography is lousy but even I can manipulate a coin to look any colour under the rainbow with photoshop so discretion is needed when evaluating coins as they will always look different, and often better "in the flesh". Some dealers post videos of coins, mainly modern, as moving them around can show the "cartwheel hue" that is removed when cleaning or striking metal flow lines. I have bought several cleaned coins unwillingly but often don't care. For example , if I can find a Marc Antony Legate IIII fleet denarius I would buy or trade it at any colour including chocolate! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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