Benefactor KenDorney Posted March 20 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 20 This was offered to me recently by a well known dealer. He did not agree with me that it was tooled. You will likely see it in an auction soon. 5 1 1 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greekcoin21 Posted March 20 · Member Share Posted March 20 The hair is amazing 🤩 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted March 20 · Member Share Posted March 20 The hair and details looks extremely carved and fake. I'm typically bad at telling tooled coins it just doesn't look right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted March 20 · Supporter Share Posted March 20 It doesn't look like Titus anymore. Too good looking 🤣 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted March 20 · Supporter Share Posted March 20 Wow, I'm no expert but even I can see that is tooled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romismatist Posted March 21 · Member Share Posted March 21 I would agree with everyone here that it is definitely tooled. They did a good job though, and probably would be convincing to less experienced buyers. Caveat emptor! Thanks for the heads up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavius Posted March 21 · Supporter Share Posted March 21 not tooled - just Titus after he went to the beauty salon to get his first hair permanent! 2 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted March 21 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 21 4 hours ago, John Conduitt said: It doesn't look like Titus anymore. Too good looking 🤣 Exactly my thought! Way too soft-looking. If he lost a little weight and grew his hair longer, he could almost be described as Apollonian. I've never seen a Titus portrait that looks anything like that. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galba68 Posted March 24 · Member Share Posted March 24 On 3/20/2024 at 8:57 PM, KenDorney said: This was offered to me recently by a well known dealer. He did not agree with me that it was tooled. You will likely see it in an auction soon. Tooling..The best way to turn an original coin into a fake one.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted March 24 · Supporter Share Posted March 24 On 3/20/2024 at 8:57 PM, KenDorney said: This was offered to me recently by a well known dealer. He did not agree with me that it was tooled. The scecond best thing to do after not buying this coin would be to avoid that seller, right ? Q 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 24 · Member Share Posted March 24 And how come a lot of auction coins have that same, greenish look, like the ones DonnaML posted? I've noticed that on acsearch listings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ela126 Posted March 24 · Member Share Posted March 24 34 minutes ago, Nerosmyfavorite68 said: And how come a lot of auction coins have that same, greenish look, like the ones DonnaML posted? I've noticed that on acsearch listings. Someone has a nice color concoction going it seems, then sprinkle a little dirt on it and wax… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZ Numismatics Posted March 24 · Member Share Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nerosmyfavorite68 said: And how come a lot of auction coins have that same, greenish look, like the ones DonnaML posted? I've noticed that on acsearch listings. 1 hour ago, ela126 said: Someone has a nice color concoction going it seems, then sprinkle a little dirt on it and wax… No, not necessarily. Many auction houses turn down the color saturation in their images. It helps the image convey the details of the coin. CNG is one example - their images are desaturated halfway to black-and-white. It makes everything look the same. I'm willing to bet the coins Donna posted have very normal patinas in hand that look quite different. That's not to say coins aren't tooled and repatinated. There are a few dealers that are notorious for it. Edited March 24 by JAZ Numismatics 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postvmvs Posted March 25 · Member Share Posted March 25 Unfortunately I have seen far too many tooled coins. Sometimes there is some indication about "smoothing", but other times no indication. I don't think I have any particular ability to discern a tooled coins, so I wonder if the sellers are just incapable of detecting the signs, or do they choose to ignore them for monetary reasons -- incompetence vs malice. The worst part, is if the coin was originally genuine, it has been ruined forever. Here is one that popped up recently in my area of interest, with no indication by seller that it has been tooled. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZ Numismatics Posted March 25 · Member Share Posted March 25 (edited) You wanna see a comical tooling of a Christ follis? What have they done to Jesus!! Miserere mei Domine. Edited March 25 by JAZ Numismatics 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted March 25 · Patron Share Posted March 25 25 minutes ago, JAZ Numismatics said: You wanna see a comical tooling of a Christ follis? What have they done to Jesus!! Miserere mei Domine. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 25 · Member Share Posted March 25 Then there's my dreadful Decius. However, I *think* this one was due more to a botched encrustation removal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted March 25 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, JAZ Numismatics said: No, not necessarily. Many auction houses turn down the color saturation in their images. It helps the image convey the details of the coin. CNG is one example - their images are desaturated halfway to black-and-white. It makes everything look the same. I'm willing to bet the coins Donna posted have very normal patinas in hand that look quite different. That's not to say coins aren't tooled and repatinated. There are a few dealers that are notorious for it. Perhaps I should have made clear that the two Titus bronzes I posted aren't mine. They're simply examples I found on acsearch to demonstrate how Titus is usually portrayed, by contrast to the tooled version of him in the OP. So I have no idea what the coins look like in hand, in terms of their patina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 25 · Member Share Posted March 25 Yes, I realized they were auction coins. Your coins are beautiful :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.