Heliodromus Posted August 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 23, 2023 This coin in it's top dinged-up state was offered in Num Lanz 149.525 in 6-2010, and I'm guessing went unsold since I have it recorded as then being sold 1 month later on eBay in 7-2010 for $1477. The coin is now being offered in an upcoming G&M auction for a starting bid of EUR 6400 + 20% ($8,340), described as having been "professionally restored". I guess this type of thing is to some extent a matter of taste, but the "professional" restorer has made a rather major mistake and not noticed the bottom divergent wreath tie extending across the bottom of the bust, and has instead truncated it at the back of Constantine's neck! The face of the emperor on the reverse also seems a bit comical, especially the hairline whose outline should really be a single smooth shallow arc high across the forehead, as can be seen on facing busts from the same mint (Ticinum), as well as on statues of Constantine. 9 2 2 1 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayAg47 Posted August 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) If I'm paying more than 10k for a coin, at least I'd want a genuine surface without any tooling, doesn't matter how nice it looks, it's just been altered. It's like buying a top dollar modern coin in a slab that has been cleaned to death, while still more 'genuine' examples exist for better price. Edited August 23, 2023 by JayAg47 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted August 23, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted August 23, 2023 To some degree, I'm proud that most of my coins are so ugly there's little chance of restoration. 🙂 For example Cyclades, Delos ca. 280 - 166 BCE AE 9mm 0.56g Laureate head of Apollo right / Δ-Η, lyre. cf. SNG Cop. 668 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted August 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 23, 2023 Maybe the same « artist » who fooled CNG and Heritage two years ago with the batch of aurei coming from Ukraine. Here are some nice « restauration » examples : 6 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrefn Posted August 23, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2023 They should have reworked the obverse inscription to something like DNSPONSIANUSAUG. Then they could have asked ten times as much for it. Gold being a malleable metal, a professional restorer should be able to bring out the full value of the coin. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted August 24, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 24, 2023 14 hours ago, Ocatarinetabellatchitchix said: Maybe the same « artist » who fooled CNG and Heritage two years ago with the batch of aurei coming from Ukraine. Here are some nice « restauration » examples : Fooled the NGC slab too? 😬 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted August 24, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted August 24, 2023 Gee what a travesty. Completely re-worked and tooled. How in good conscience can they even sell these items? Pass the popcorn. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinian Posted August 24, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 24, 2023 My friend Ron Bude asked me to post this for him: "At least GM said there was work done. My research shows undescribed repairs to be a pervasive problem (presented in Warsaw at the every six year ancient numismatic conference and now accepted for publication in the next Numismatic Chronicle). For coins for which I had an auction photo showing defect(s) and then later resale of the same coin at auction, 25 percent of them were “repaired” in the interim and were resold as genuine, intact coins - no mention of work done. I had no evidence to implicate any dealer of being complicit. But this high rate of “repair” surprised me and shows thus is a serious problem, for which this coin is but a single example. Watch for my article in the next NC." 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted August 25, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) An interesting aspect of the "restoration" is that the coin seems to have lost weight as a result. Lanz had it at 4.43g, but now 4.28g by G&M. Auction house weights for the same coin typically only differ by a couple hundredths of a gram, so this 0.15g drop seems real unless a mistake. It's not obvious why it would have lost weight though. Edited August 25, 2023 by Heliodromus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted August 25, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 25, 2023 That's a miraculous job of restoration 😲! I'd like to see some of the restorers other work 😉. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted August 25, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) Speaking of the upcoming Gorny & Mosch auction, according to Brad Bowlin and others in the Facebook ancient coins group, Lot 330, with an estimate of 40,000 EUR (!), is a modern fake: Brad Bowlin's comment: "this coin is part of a group of forgeries recently produced in Peshawar in Pakistan. I have been collecting and documenting them. They are not particularly good, but seem to be fooling a fair number of collectors." A comment from another member: "Since I traveled the region back in 1983-1997, bactrian coins have stood out as one of the most dangerous areas of collecting. It appeared that hawkers with these coins were everywhere. Seeing the bucketfuls of large silver coins in Peshawar, I became aware that the coins had to be fakes. Later I learned that the coins of Bactria have always been subject to massive forgery. In recent times, a series of supposedly high quality fakes were produced in the 1970s. I wouldn't be surprised if a production is ongoing to this day." So if anyone was thinking of shelling out 40,000+ EUROS on this, it might be wise to think again! On the other hand, it's a nice elephant. Edited August 25, 2023 by DonnaML 6 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenfool Posted August 25, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Heliodromus said: An interesting aspect of the "restoration" is that the coin seems to have lost weight as a result. Lanz had it at 4.43g, but now 4.28g by G&M. Auction house weights for the same coin typically only differ by a couple hundredths of a gram, so this 0.15g drop seems real unless a mistake. It's not obvious why it would have lost weight though. The devices seem to stand out more? I wonder if the fields were smoothed in order to remove the imperfections there, and the gold from this process was harvested and used to manipulate/fill in the existing devices? The coin seems to "pop" more in the after photo, and the relief looks higher. Perhaps some gold was left over after this process, or some "dust" couldn't be recovered? Edited August 25, 2023 by Steppenfool 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLTcoins Posted August 25, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) This story was related to me years ago by a friend who was a regional world coin dealer setting up at shows around the Midwest. A couple of times each year, a 'large' world coin dealer from the Southwest would visit him at home to go through his inventory. On one occasion, this 'large' dealer brought along a companion, a physician of sorts. As the visiting dealer went through the boxes, he would hand off some of the coins to his companion, asking "Can you fix this?"... "Can you fix this?"... "Can you fix this"... Edited August 25, 2023 by DLTcoins 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted August 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted August 26, 2023 I wonder what happened to the coin to get it in that pockmarked shape? Battle damage from World War 2, while still in the ground? (shrapnel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted August 26, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 17 hours ago, Steppenfool said: The devices seem to stand out more? I wonder if the fields were smoothed in order to remove the imperfections there, and the gold from this process was harvested and used to manipulate/fill in the existing devices? The coin seems to "pop" more in the after photo, and the relief looks higher. Perhaps some gold was left over after this process, or some "dust" couldn't be recovered? Something like that does seem to have happened around the wreath ties ... most of the dings were probably fixed just by pushing the displaced gold back into place, but the (awful looking!) wreath ties seem to have been a wholescale recreation effort - maybe excavating the field to leave the high points as the "restored" ties. Perhaps this explains why the tie across the bust was just smoothed out and removed, since otherwise the contrast between it and the vertical sections would have looked really bad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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