ambr0zie Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) After I managed to obtain one of my main targets in an auction today, I noticed something that always grabs my attention - some nicely silvered Gallienus coins. Every ancient coins collector instantly thinks about Zoo series, but the coinage of Gallienus still offers other attractive types. And the mint workers had some imagination, in my opinion above the period's average. I like the Zoo series a lot and have some examples, but from what I saw finding a coin from this series with some silvering and also well struck and centered is not exactly easy. For the non Zoo series, things are better. Here are today's purchases: Gallienus AD 266-268. Antioch Antoninianus Æ silvered 21 mm, 3,77 g AD 266 - AD 268 GALLIENVS AVG, bust of Gallienus, radiate, draped, right / VENER VICTRICI, Venus, draped, standing left, holding helmet in right hand and spear and shield in left hand. In exergue VIIC dot Cf RIC V Gallienus 660 Gallienus AD 260-268. Antioch Antoninianus Æ silvered 21 mm, 3,60 g GALLIENVS AVG, bust of Gallienus, radiate, draped, cuirassed, right / VICTORIA AVG, Victory, winged, draped, standing or walking left, holding wreath in right hand and palm in left hand RIC V Gallienus 663 Gallienus AD 253-268. Antioch Antoninianus Æ silvered 22 mm, 3,00 g GALLIENVS AVG, bust of Gallienus, radiate, cuirassed, right / LVNA LVCIF, Diana, draped, walking right, holding torch. Exergue PXV. RIC V Gallienus 609 These will be good additions near my favorite Gallienus coin and, why not, to my only Gallienus coin from my Zoo series that still shows traces of silvering Do you have Gallienus coins with silvering remaining? Please post them. Edited June 12, 2022 by ambr0zie 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helvius Pertinax Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 I am personally very fascinated about Gallienus, both as a ruler, but also as an emperor on coinage. My first and (to this date) only coin of him came from another member roughly 6000km away from me. The shipping costs were way bigger than the value of the coins, so he added "a few" (about 10) huge coin trays! Ive just taken the pictures, you can see very well where the silvering is, but its of course not as yellow in person: What I paricularly like about this coin is the amazing artistry on the bust, which is also very high relief in person. The images dont do justice! 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted June 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) @ambr0zie....Nice pick ups.. Really like the Diana reverse.. Here's my only Gallienus... Recently I took some new photos showing how this coin has toned over the years. Gallienus, Antoninianus, Minted AD 258-259 (Joint reign) Obverse..GALLIENVS dot P dot F dot AVG Radiate, curaissed bust right Reverse..GERMANICVS MAX V trophy between two seated and bound German captives RIC VI#18 variant obv legend dots..Cologne Edited June 12, 2022 by Spaniard 21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 There were other Diana reverses in the auction, and the one I got was not my favorite (bad reverse strike, Diana should have a crescent on the head, but this is what happens when the strategy is not correct. But it's still a nice coin. Forgot about my RIC 18, that also shows traces of silvering (another pic needed sometime in the future ...) 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted June 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2022 GALLIENUSRI Gallienus Silvered Æ Ant CE 263-264 AVG rad cuiras R Hercules R lion skin club star RIC 673 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etcherdude Posted June 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2022 No coin 😞 but a picture of his "arch" on the Esquiline hill, a few blocks from the train station... 20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhevae Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 Some mostly, if not fully, silvered coins from the sole reign of Gallienus. 17 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2022 Coingrats on the new scores! (Did you see that Salonina SPQR go for it?!) Sole reign silvered Gallienus, first from Rome mint, second from Antioch: 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 I did, but it is way over the price I would pay for a Salonina coin, no matter the rarity and condition 😕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted June 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, ambr0zie said: I did, but it is way over the price I would pay for a Salonina coin, no matter the rarity and condition 😕 What did it go for as I wasn't watching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted June 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2022 ..one of my Gallienus ( i have to show the family portrait), the upper right one, has 'hi'content' silver in it, but no silver on it 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Spaniard said: What did it go for as I wasn't watching? 600 EUR + fees. I can't find a reference or a similar one, so not your every day Salonina, also the coin has excellent details and a very generous flan, but ... 600 EUR + taxes .... 12 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhevae Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 Coins of Gallienus and Salonina from Smyrna (SPQR mintmark) are all rare, known to a few specimens only, many types and variants unlisted in the main references, and many collectors are after them, making the prices high. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted June 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2022 Cologne : Antioch : Rome : Q 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry G Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Lhevae said: Coins of Gallienus and Salonina from Smyrna (SPQR mintmark) are all rare, known to a few specimens only, many types and variants unlisted in the main references, and many collectors are after them, making the prices high. I was actually the first bid on that SPQR Salonina (although my bid of 10EUR was more to get the email notification of the lot coming up rather than an attempt to win it!). It's a very nice coin, and doubtless one of the finest of the type. I've actually seen 3 other SPQR Saloninas come up for sale in the last 6 months or so, all sold in group lots by Roma. I bid on all of them, but didn't win any. As my budget as increased since they cam up for sale, I seriously regret not bidding more on them. https://www.romanumismatics.com/258-lot-1417-lot-of-20-roman-imperial-bi-coins?arr=0&auction_id=158&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year= Bottom right, FORTVNA AVG. Sold for £380. Very nice obverse, reverse has some deposits, and SPQR barely visible https://www.romanumismatics.com/259-lot-2021-lot-of-20-roman-imperial-bi-coins?arr=0&auction_id=159&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year= Another FORTVNA AVG example that only reached £240 https://www.romanumismatics.com/260-lot-1789-lot-of-20-late-roman-a-coins?arr=0&auction_id=160&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year= This is the one I regret not bidding on most, as it went for "very cheap" at £110 (ok, still expensive for a Salonina). I would have bid a lot more on this, but I had just spent around £500 on a different auction for coins to sell on eBay, so I couldn't justify it then. It's a SALVS AVG example, and obviously from a different hoard than the other two. On the bright side, one of the coins I bought instead was my Alexius and John Asen trachy in a group lot for £1 a coin, that has since been sent to auction (ironically Roma). Anyway, to fit with the theme of this thread, here are a couple of my silvered Gallienus antoninianii! Pictures formatted weirdly to avoid my photo quality looking terrible. VICT GAL AVG - an extremely rare type, possibly with the bust wearing a lion skin. This coin is infinitely nicer in hand than my photo suggests (better ones coming soon), with the deposits being much less pronounced, the coin being less shiny, and the surface not as rough as it looks. Gallienus - PROVIDENTIA AVGG Gallienus - VIRTVS AVG / SPQR. Not silvered, but I feel it fits well in this thread! Gallienus - TIA AVG TIA AVG (Error). Shown multiple times before, but it's one of my cooler coins, so you may be seeing it often 😄 Gallienus - ABVNDANTIA AVG 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romancollector Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 Gallienus (AD 253-268) AE Antoninianus (21mm, 2.74 g). Cologne mint. AD 257-258. GALLIENVS•P•F•AVG, radiate, cuirassed bust right / GERMANICVS AVG V, Trophy between two captives at base. RIC Vi (Lyons) 18; Göbl 872d (Cologne). Ex CGB Numismatics Paris. 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted June 13, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 13, 2022 Not one of my Gallienus Zoo Series coins has any remaining silvering. My one Gallienus that does have some isn't otherwise in great condition: Gallienus (son of Valerian I), Silvered Billon Antoninianus, 255-256 AD, Samasota Mint. Obv. Radiate, draped, & cuirassed bust right, IMP C P LIC GALLIENVS P F AVG/ Rev. Gallienus stdg. right, holding spear/scepter, receiving globe from Jupiter standing facing left, holding scepter, wreath in upper center, IOVI CONSERVATORI. RIC V-1 440(j) [joint reign], RSC IV 379. 20 mm., 4.0 g. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Spaniard said: @ambr0zie....Nice pick ups.. Really like the Diana reverse.. Here's my only Gallienus... Recently I took some new photos showing how this coin has toned over the years. Gallienus, Antoninianus, Minted AD 258-259 (Joint reign) Obverse..GALLIENVS dot P dot F dot AVG Radiate, curaissed bust right Reverse..GERMANICVS MAX V trophy between two seated and bound German captives RIC VI#18 variant obv legend dots..Cologne @Spaniard, I'm needing the detail and irridescence on your example. If you could expand on the RIC attribution to Cologne, for the less enlightened among us (namely, My sh-t), that could not fail to elicit keen appreciation. ...As a kid, I had exactly one Gallienus with most of the silvering intact, a SOLI INVICTO. It was the first silvered antoninianus of the period that I'd ever seen, and it was The, Ahem, Stuff. Still vividly remember the contrast with the underlying black metal, suggesting tin --a combination enthusiastically resorted to in French feudal issues most of a millennium later. Then, over the last couple of years, while buying a French feudal coin from a dealer I'd known for most of a decade, via Delcampe and French ebay, I had to get this one. It blew my head off. --Thanks especially for confirming my suspicions that it's a joint issue (contemporaneous to Valerian), never mind an early one of Gallienus. (In print, all I have for Romans is an embarrassingly old edition of Sear.) Edited June 13, 2022 by JeandAcre 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Romancollector said: Gallienus (AD 253-268) AE Antoninianus (21mm, 2.74 g). Cologne mint. AD 257-258. GALLIENVS•P•F•AVG, radiate, cuirassed bust right / GERMANICVS AVG V, Trophy between two captives at base. RIC Vi (Lyons) 18; Göbl 872d (Cologne). Ex CGB Numismatics Paris. Oh, I like the portrait style. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhevae Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 14 hours ago, Harry G said: I was actually the first bid on that SPQR Salonina (although my bid of 10EUR was more to get the email notification of the lot coming up rather than an attempt to win it!). It's a very nice coin, and doubtless one of the finest of the type. I've actually seen 3 other SPQR Saloninas come up for sale in the last 6 months or so, all sold in group lots by Roma. I bid on all of them, but didn't win any. As my budget as increased since they cam up for sale, I seriously regret not bidding more on them. https://www.romanumismatics.com/258-lot-1417-lot-of-20-roman-imperial-bi-coins?arr=0&auction_id=158&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year= Bottom right, FORTVNA AVG. Sold for £380. Very nice obverse, reverse has some deposits, and SPQR barely visible https://www.romanumismatics.com/259-lot-2021-lot-of-20-roman-imperial-bi-coins?arr=0&auction_id=159&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year= Another FORTVNA AVG example that only reached £240 https://www.romanumismatics.com/260-lot-1789-lot-of-20-late-roman-a-coins?arr=0&auction_id=160&box_filter=0&cat_id=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&gridtype=listview&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=list_view&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=lot_number&view=lot_detail&year= This is the one I regret not bidding on most, as it went for "very cheap" at £110 (ok, still expensive for a Salonina). I would have bid a lot more on this, but I had just spent around £500 on a different auction for coins to sell on eBay, so I couldn't justify it then. It's a SALVS AVG example, and obviously from a different hoard than the other two. On the bright side, one of the coins I bought instead was my Alexius and John Asen trachy in a group lot for £1 a coin, that has since been sent to auction (ironically Roma). Anyway, to fit with the theme of this thread, here are a couple of my silvered Gallienus antoninianii! Pictures formatted weirdly to avoid my photo quality looking terrible. VICT GAL AVG - an extremely rare type, possibly with the bust wearing a lion skin. This coin is infinitely nicer in hand than my photo suggests (better ones coming soon), with the deposits being much less pronounced, the coin being less shiny, and the surface not as rough as it looks. Gallienus - PROVIDENTIA AVGG Gallienus - VIRTVS AVG / SPQR. Not silvered, but I feel it fits well in this thread! Gallienus - TIA AVG TIA AVG (Error). Shown multiple times before, but it's one of my cooler coins, so you may be seeing it often 😄 Gallienus - ABVNDANTIA AVG Wow, the VIC GAL AVG is fantastic! Great coin! If one day you're parting with it (which I doubt, but you never know), I'm definitely interested. This is such a rare and interesting piece. Congrats. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 7 hours ago, JeandAcre said: If you could expand on the RIC attribution to Cologne, As far as I know RIC assigns them to Lyons (Lugdunum); Göbl attributes them to Cologne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 17 hours ago, Severus Alexander said: Coingrats on the new scores! (Did you see that Salonina SPQR go for it?!) Sole reign silvered Gallienus, first from Rome mint, second from Antioch: Is that VICTORIA AVG III or AVG II? Just curious. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumbly Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Wow, there are some really nice examples and interesting, rare types in this thread. This one's from Cologne, when the billon was still silvery. This on the other hand, from Mediolanum, came out of the Normanby Hoard with barely a trace of silvering still on it. Edited June 13, 2022 by zumbly 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 I just looked through my Gallienuses (Gallienai?) and not a single silvered example. There are some beautiful coins here! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Steve Posted June 13, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Ummm, silvering? ... I only had two Gallienus-examples, so I'll let you guys be the judge ... GALLIENUS, AE ANTONINIANUS (below) 253-268 AD Struck circa 267-268 AD Diameter: 21 mm Weight: 3.56 grams Obverse: GALLIENVS AVG Radiate head right Reverse: APOLLINI CONS AVG Centaur advancing right, drawing bow; Z (retrograde) Reference: RIC 163; C. 72 Other: pretty cool Ex-stevex6 Gallienus, AE Tetradrachm (below) Egypt-Alexandria 264/265 (Year 12) Diameter: 22 mm x 23 mm Weight: 8.72 grams Obverse: Laureate, cuirassed bust right Reverse: Eagle standing facing, head left, holding large wreath with spread wings L IB in upper field Reference: Emmett 3809 (corrected); Milne 4110; Curtis 1596; BMC 2237 Other: slightly rough. Neat dramatic reverse Ex-stevex6 … Ex Keith Emmett Collection; Ex Frank Robinson, June 1993 Edited June 13, 2022 by Steve 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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