Furryfrog02 Posted January 27 · Supporter Share Posted January 27 I made an offer on this coin and, to my surprise, won. I bid on it for 2 reasons: I only have one other Carinus example. AND I liked the Victory on the reverse. Well, it arrived today and I was working on attributing it when I ran into a bit of a problem. I couldn't find a matching example of my obverse and reverse pair. I couldn't find an IMP C CARINVS PF AVG obverse with a CLEMENTIA dot TEMP reverse. All the obverses I could find were IMP M AVR CARINVS PF AVG. I finally managed to find 1 example on accsearch from an auction that I've never heard of: Paul-Francis Jacquier. It looks like the same coin went up for sale in 2018, 2019, and finally sold in 2020. The description, in German, is: RÖMISCHE KAISERZEIT. CARINUS, Caesar 282-283, Augustus 283-285. Antoninian, Cyzicus, Sommer 284. IMP C CARINVS P F AVG. Drap. Panzerbüste mit Stkr. rechts. Rv/ CLEMENTIA•TEMP/Δ/XXI. Kaiser in Feldtracht mit Zepter n. rechts stehend, von Jupiter, der mit Zepter n. links steht, einen Globus empfangend. C –. RIC – (cf. 202). Aufbau –. La Venèra – (cf. 4402). 3,75 g. Unediert. Fast vorzüglich My question is this - Would this be considered a fairly uncommon die pairing? Or am I missing a whole host of other examples? Thanks in advance for your help! Please feel free to post your matching coins, if you have them... or any other Carinus coins you may deem worthy to post 🙂 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted January 27 · Member Share Posted January 27 It appears to be a rare obverse legend variety at this mint. This is the text associated with the coin below from a different officina from the website of a specialist in this dynasty. Main page:- http://othila-coins.com/index.php Mint page:- You can search for the obverse legend on this page. http://othila-coins.com/index.php?page=site_plaats&plaats=Cyzicus 324C var. IMP C CARINVS P F AVG, Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right CLEMENTIA dot TEMP, Carinus standing right, holding sceptre and receiving Victory from Jupiter standing left, holding long sceptre Cyzicus Carinus Ex. Є/XXI 4th emission July 284. Obverse Title only known from a Aureus: VICTORIA GERMANICA. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted January 27 · Supporter Author Share Posted January 27 Thanks! Very cool. Too bad I don't have the aureus 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted January 27 · Patron Share Posted January 27 I love finding these varieties! What a cool coin, @Furryfrog02! I have only a single coin of Carinus and I'm happy to post it! Carinus, Augustus 283-285 CE. Roman billon Antoninianus, 3.80 g, 21.1 mm, 12 h. Lugdunum, 283 CE. Obv: IMP C M AVR CARINVS AVG, radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: SAECVLI FELICITAS, emperor in military attire, standing right, holding transverse spear and globe, officina mark D (=4) in right field. Refs: RIC 214; Cohen 120; RCV 12354; Hunter 37; Pink, p. 22, series 4. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat Posted January 27 · Member Share Posted January 27 Very nice variety you picked up, well done. Here is my only Carinus 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jims,Coins Posted January 27 · Member Share Posted January 27 My two Carinus coins Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Rome during the reign of CARINUS between 283 - 285 A.D. Obv. IMP.CARINVS.P.F.AVG.: Radiate, draped bust r. Rev. AETERNIT.AVGG.: Eternity standing left, holding Phoenix on globe. RCS #3463. RICV #248. DVM #5. Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Rome during the reign of CARINUS between 283 - 285 A.D. Obv. IMP.CARINVS.P.F.AVG.: Radiate bust r. Rev. GENIVS.EXERCITI.: Genius standing left. RCS #3467. RICVpii #256. DVM #10. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted January 27 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted January 27 Congratulations on a nice find, @Furryfrog02! Apparently like many of us, I have exactly one coin of Carinus myself: Carinus, AE Antoninianus, Feb/Mar 283 [promotion to Augustus] - Spring 285 [death of Carinus], Ticinum Mint [now Pavia, Italy] (3rd Officina). Obv. Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, IMP CARINVS P F AVG / Rev. Felicitas standing facing, head left, left elbow resting on column, holding caduceus with raised right hand, FELICIT PVBLICA; in exergue, TXXI [3rd Officina, 20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy]. RIC V-2 295, Sear RCV III 12343 (ill.), Cohen 24, Pink [Karl Pink 1949] p. 29, Series 4. 23.6 mm., 3.83 g. [For dating, see http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus.] 15 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted January 27 · Member Share Posted January 27 Very nice find! And indeed it appears to be unlisted in RIC. My only Imperial Carinus Carinus, as Caesar AD 282-283. Rome Antoninianus Æ 20 mm, 3,61 g M AVR CARINVS NOB CAES, bust of Carinus, radiate, draped, cuirassed, right / PIETAS AVGG, pontifical implements, variously arranged MintMark: -/-//KAZ RIC V Carus 155 I also have an Alexandrian tetradrachm Egypt, Alexandria. Carinus, 283-285. Tetradrachm Potin. 18,2 mm 6,93 g. RY 2 = 283/4. Α Κ Μ Α ΚΑΡΙΝΟC CЄΒ Laureate and cuirassed bust of Carinus to right. Rev. L - B Elpis standing left, holding flower in her right hand and raising skirt with her left; to upper right, star. Dattari (Savio) 5585. Emmett 4007.2. K&G 115.10. Sear 4779 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted January 27 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted January 27 Another Alexandria example.....ex-Frank Robinson auction, 2019 Carinus (283-284 A.D.) AE Tetradrachm of Alexandria 19mm 7.19 grams Year 2 = 284 AD. Obverse: A K M A KAΡINOC CEB, laureate, cuirassed bust right Reverse: L-B, Elpis standing left holding flower and hem of skirt. Reference: Milne 4701-3, BMC 2454, Koln 3177 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted January 27 · Member Share Posted January 27 Cool coin FF. It is not on Dane Kurth’s lists neither. (http://www.catbikes.ch/coinstuff/coins-ric.htm) Here’s my only one, ex Doug Smith: 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted January 27 · Supporter Author Share Posted January 27 Wow this coin is cooler than I thought !! Not shabby for $11 🙂 Thanks everyone for sharing your Carini/Carinii/Carinuses....coins of Carinus 😛 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted January 28 · Member Share Posted January 28 While they always say that there is nothing more common than a rare ancient coin, there is nothing wrong with having something that no one else has. As usual I am terribly out of fashion. I have more than one Carinus when fashion dictates only one. Carinus gets no respect. My favorite is an Alexandrian tetradrachm with reverse legend honoring Legion 2 Traiana. I bought it at a Baltimore show from a rather well respected dealer who had it in his junk box. I really wonder if he read the reverse. Ants: 2 as Caesar 3 as Augustus I find it interesting how varied the portraits and letter forms are from the various mints. I also have a few from Carinus' even less respected brother Numerian who did use the IMPC legend start with no MAVR on my Clementia ant. I chose this coin for the style and particularly Eta like Alphas. Mint??? Things like this serve to remind us how little we know about our coins. 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted January 28 · Member Share Posted January 28 (edited) I have 2 Carinus coins, both my favorites. Carinus as Caesar : IMP M AVR CARINVS NOB C : Radiate and cuirassed bust of Carinus to right VIRTVS AVGG / B / XXI : Carinus standing to right, holding short scepter in his left hand, receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter standing to left, holding long scepter in his left hand RIC Vb 207 . A.D. 282-283. Antoninianus Carinus as augustus : IMP CARINVS P F AVG : Radiate and cuirassed bust right FIDES MILITVM / KAЄ : Fides standing left, holding two signa. Lugdunum, A.D. 284, RIC Vb , 253, Antoninianus Edited January 28 by mc9 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulla80 Posted January 28 · Supporter Share Posted January 28 A nice pickup @Furryfrog02, congrats! here's my one Carinus... 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted January 28 · Member Share Posted January 28 Neat! This is my only Carinus, that I know of. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted January 28 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Sulla80 said: A nice pickup @Furryfrog02, congrats! here's my one Carinus... What legion is represented on your coin, if you know? I checked the legion Doug was referring to above (Legion II Trajana) and it happens to have been based at Nicopolis in Egypt. It was originally mustered by Trajan for the Dacian Campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legio_II_Traiana_Fortis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulla80 Posted January 28 · Supporter Share Posted January 28 21 minutes ago, Ancient Coin Hunter said: What legion is represented on your coin, if you know? I checked the legion Doug was referring to above (Legion II Trajana) and it happens to have been based at Nicopolis in Egypt. It was originally mustered by Trajan for the Dacian Campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legio_II_Traiana_Fortis While I am not 100% - I think it is likely the same legion referenced: Legion II Traiana Fortis which I think was the only legion in Alexandria at the time having succeeded III Cyrenaica which moved to Arabia in 125 AD. XXII Deiotariana was also known to be based in Alexandria until ~120 AD. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavius Posted January 29 · Supporter Share Posted January 29 My one Carinus with Aequitas reverse. 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted January 29 · Supporter Author Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Octavius said: My one Carinus with Aequitas reverse. That is probably the most beautiful, life-like example that has been posted thus far. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted January 31 · Supporter Share Posted January 31 Thats a nice uncommon obverse variety! Considering how short his reign has been, it's remarkable how common coins of Carinus are. I have got one myself: Carinus, Roman Empire, AE antoninian, 283–285 AD, Antioch mint. Obv: IMP C M AVR CARINVS PF AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust of Carinus r. Rev: VIRTVS AVGG; Carinus standing r., receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter or Carus standing l.; in fields, star and ∈Δ; in exergue, XXI. 20mm, 3.61g. Ref: RIC V Carus 325. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted January 31 · Member Share Posted January 31 Carinus as Caesar As Augustus Alexandrian 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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