Shea19 Posted June 3, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) Hello everyone! I’ve been out of town for the last couple of weeks (seems like I missed out on a lot), but I’m very happy to now be part of the new site. I’m especially happy to get to share this hot mess of a coin for my first post here. Though I don’t usually collect “error” coins, as soon as I saw this one, I knew that I had to have it. Claudius II Gothicus, AE Antoninianus (24.95mm, 3.71 g), Siscia, 268-270 A.D, Radiate and cuirassed bust of Claudius II right/ Rev. Laetitia AVG, Laetitia left. RIC VI 181 Siscia I believe that this would be classified as a “flip-over” double-strike. What I think happened (and please correct me if I’m wrong), is that after the coin was initially struck, the folks at the mint determined that it needed to be struck again. When they put it back in to be struck again, they accidentally flipped the coin over, so that the obverse was struck on top of the (original) reverse side, and vice versa. They ended up with this beautiful mess of a coin, which has a full portrait on both sides, and much of the reverse design on both sides as well. Below is a close-up of the, uh, “reverse” side of the coin. You can see pretty clearly that on the first strike, this side shown below would have been the obverse. On the second strike, the coin had been flipped over, so the reverse of Laetitia was struck on top of the portrait of Claudius…whoops! I know that many posters here have WAY more knowledge than me about this sort of thing, and I hope that they will chime in here. Very interested to hear if anyone has any other thoughts or theories about how this may have happened…this is definitely one of the the most interesting coins I’ve added to my collection this year. I’m happy to see so many familiar names here, and looking forward to “meeting” many more of you on the new site. Please share your favorite double-strikes, overstrikes, or any other “errors” or mishaps at the mint. Edited June 3, 2022 by Shea19 21 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted June 3, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 3, 2022 Striking boo-boo’s are always fun! RR Pulcher Mallius Mancinus Urbinius 111-110 BCE AR Den TRIGA S 176 Cr 299-1aAnd another of the same, that is all messed up! RR Clodius Pulcher T Mallius AR Den 111-110 BCE ERROR Flipover Double-Strike Roma Triga Cr 299-1b S 176 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabius Posted June 3, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 3, 2022 Interesting coin @Shea19! I really like the "reverse" with both sides of the coin clearly visible. Like you, I don't collect error coins but I think I'd also have been tempted to add that to my collection if I'd seen it. I have a double strike as well, albeit not a flip-over like yours. The obverse of this Gallienus is double struck, but the two strikes are aligned at quite a close angle. This results in an evenly spaced obverse legend of GALLIENVSS AVG - with an extra S, and a big chunk has been taken out of Gallienus's neck. You can see evidence of the double strike most clearly around his nose and chin. 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted June 3, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Shea19 said: Hello everyone! I’ve been out of town for the last couple of weeks (seems like I missed out on a lot), but I’m very happy to now be part of the new site. I’m especially happy to get to share this hot mess of a coin for my first post here. Though I don’t usually collect “error” coins, as soon as I saw this one, I knew that I had to have it. Claudius II Gothicus, AE Antoninianus (24.95mm, 3.71 g), Siscia, 268-270 A.D, Radiate and cuirassed bust of Claudius II right/ Rev. Laetitia AVG, Laetitia left. RIC VI 181 Siscia I believe that this would be classified as a “flip-over” double-strike. What I think happened (and please correct me if I’m wrong), is that after the coin was initially struck, the folks at the mint determined that it needed to be struck again. When they put it back in to be struck again, they accidentally flipped the coin over, so that the obverse was struck on top of the (original) reverse side, and vice versa. They ended up with this beautiful mess of a coin, which has a full portrait on both sides, and much of the reverse design on both sides as well. Below is a close-up of the, uh, “reverse” side of the coin. You can see pretty clearly that on the first strike, this side shown below would have been the obverse. On the second strike, the coin had been flipped over, so the reverse of Laetitia was struck on top of the portrait of Claudius…whoops! I know that many posters here have WAY more knowledge than me about this sort of thing, and I hope that they will chime in here. Very interested to hear if anyone has any other thoughts or theories about how this may have happened…this is definitely one of the the most interesting coins I’ve added to my collection this year. I’m happy to see so many familiar names here, and looking forward to “meeting” many more of you on the new site. Please share your favorite double-strikes, overstrikes, or any other “errors” or mishaps at the mint. Shea, Nice score 😍, they don't get any better than that. A year ago I scored a rare flip-over double strike on a gold aureus of Zeno, it's not as dramatic as your but it is obvious. The hypnotic repetition of striking coins in a Roman mint makes fertile ground for such errors 😏. If you rotate my coin 90 degrees counter-clockwise the two different impressions are easy to see 🧐. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 7, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2022 Awesome, @Shea19, I've only seen one I like better! 🤓 Although yours is better in one important respect, which you point out: two clear portraits. Congrats, not at all easy to find!! However @TIF pointed out there was a period in Gallienus's life when his personal adornment habits were rather unorthodox, so I suppose it's just an accurate portrait, eh? I'm not sure a flip-over double has to be the result of the mint workers intentionally wanting to restrike, with the flip the only accidental part. I imagine it's possible for the coin to flip over accidentally simply during striking (due to the blow) and then getting struck again (a second accident) rather than being replaced by a new blank. I have a few Gallienus errors. Brockage: Ordinary double strike: Then there's this weird item from the Cologne mint. Weighing a colossal 6.29g(!!) it's actually the product of a striking error where two flans stuck together: So a double antoninianus before Tacitus! 😄 I have lots of other errors but I'll stop at Gallienus before I lose you... 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Steve Posted June 7, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 7, 2022 Wow, shea19 => that's a fantastic new addition!! (congrats on snagging that flip-over winna) Ummm, I have/had a pretty cool flip-over coin ... wanna see it? Constans. Æ Centenionalis (below) Nicomedia mint, 2nd officina. Struck AD 348-350 AD 337-350 Diameter: 20.5 mm Weight: 2.84 grams Obverse: Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust left, holding globe Reverse: Soldier advancing right, head left, holding spear and leading boy away from hut; SMNB Reference: RIC VIII 70; LRBC 2291 Other: 12h … brown, porous surfaces => Dramatic double strike on reverse Ex-stevex6 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 7, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2022 I like error coins of all sorts. I don't many ancient errors though. Here is an interesting Claudius II, Gothicus . And a cool Follis of Constantine VII. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPP-Ottawa Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Impressive!! I don’t have any ancient errors, but I am definitely an error collector and researcher, and I love these. @Furryfrog02 that top coin looks like it was double struck, but the first strike was a mirror brockage! 🤯 Very cool! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry G Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Very cool coins here! I have a couple of errors Gallienus - Flip over double strike. Gives the unusual legend "TIA AVG TIA AVG" Gallienus brockage antoninianus, Milan mint 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nap Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Medieval coins are sometimes nice for these sorts of errors, at certain times in history the quality control was very poor. Here is a flip over double strike penny of King John of England 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordianAppreciator101 Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 This forum thread is great. Have had a few laughs already looking at these. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPP-Ottawa Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 @Harry G that bottom coin looks like it was struck through a capped die (likely by another blank). That mirror ghosting you see looks like indirect metal transfer from the struck side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhevae Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) Some nice errors on this thread. Here's a flip-over of a Tetricus I, with HILARITAS AVGG on the reverse (and on the obverse!). Edited June 8, 2022 by Lhevae 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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