Romismatist Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 With a quick glance, what are your thoughts? Patina (at least from the picture) looks convincing, and style is... close? Currently being sold as a fake... I don't know about you, but I think that at least some of the fakes out there continue to get better... caveat emptor... 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayAg47 Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 Looks real to me. Couple of things- the lamination error causing the silver layer to protrude at obverse 5'o clock, and what looks like horn silver deposits within Victory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsyas Mike Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 If that is fake, it is a pretty good one. The edges seem a bit suspiciously round and even, but that might be the way the photo is cropped. And yes, I agree, some of the fakes out there are quite convincing - and some fairly common coins are being faked. Some Gordian III antoninii from Bulgaria are positively scary. A seller on eBay listed this one as fake, for $9.95 buy it now. I thought it looked okay, although it is a bit light. I have found from time to time that eBay sellers who do not know what they have play it safe and call it fake, when sometimes it is not. Trajan Denarius (103-111 A.D.) Rome Mint IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P, laureate bust right, draped left shoulder / COS V PP SPQR OPTI[MO PR]INC, Aequitas standing left with scales & cornucopiae. RIC 118; RSC 85; BMC 281. (2.51 grams / 17 mm) eBay Feb. 2022 $9.95 BIN 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenfool Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) If it is indeed fake, that coin would certainly fool me, and I am somewhat familiar with Trajanic coinage. @Marsyas Mike I find it difficult to determine the authenticity of worn coins. I wouldn't personally buy that one mainly due to the lettering on the obverse, it looks strangely blurry and rounded and some of the spacing strikes me as bizarre. Edited November 26, 2022 by Steppenfool 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsyas Mike Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Steppenfool said: If it is indeed fake, that coin would certainly fool me, and I am somewhat familiar with Trajanic coinage. @Marsyas Mike I find it difficult to determine the authenticity of worn coins. I wouldn't personally buy that one mainly due to the lettering on the obverse, it looks strangely blurry and rounded and some of the spacing strikes me as bizarre. Yeah, I agree. Since the seller stated it was a fake to begin with, I thought it was worth the price just in case it was okay. One of the things I used to really like about worn ancients was that they weren't faked as much as the pristine high-grade stuff that I can't afford anyway. Recently, however, I've seen more and more "worn" fakes of fairly common coins. This makes me unhappy. 😒 Come on, counterfeiters, leave the low-grade stuff alone! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenfool Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 eBay UK is full of random low grade fakes now, I'd say about 2/3 of listings fall into this category. Thankfully they do have a distinctive appearance and are blatantly cast. I mainly buy exclusively from trusted sellers now. Otherwise the coin needs to pass my eye test and be a great deal on top of that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 I’d be curious to have the coin in hand… the style is incredibly similar to genuine examples, compare to the obverse of this denarius I use to own… And by the way, thanks to Mr. Lanz to warn us about this moderne fälschung… 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted November 26, 2022 · Patron Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) Looks very much like the real deal, which is a very inexpensive coin. From my collection: Trajan, AD 98-117. Roman AR Denarius, 3.21 g, 17.8 mm, 6 h. Rome, AD 107. Obv: IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P, laureate head, right, with drapery on left shoulder. Rev: COS V P P S P Q R OPTIMO PRINC, Victory, half-draped, standing left, holding wreath in right hand and palm in left hand. Refs: RIC 128; BMCRE 328-34; Cohen/RSC 74; Hill UCR 471; RCV 3129. Edited November 26, 2022 by Roman Collector 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted November 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 26, 2022 These Elymais coins look fake but really good fakes. I'm actually not sure... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted November 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 27, 2022 Speaking of fakes, often, good fakes can't capture the lettering or natural patina. Sometimes a coin can look too clean. When a coin has wear it still could be a fake but just a worn fake. There are those 16th century fakes but they actually have some market value and are not just cheap tourist knockoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamnaskires Posted November 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Amarmur said: These Elymais coins look fake I think they are fine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted November 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 27, 2022 Very Rare Mark Antony & Octavian At Ephesos Roman Silver Denarius Coin - 41BCE | eBay this looks too good to be real. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenfool Posted November 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Amarmur said: Very Rare Mark Antony & Octavian At Ephesos Roman Silver Denarius Coin - 41BCE | eBay this looks too good to be real. What do you think? I don't like the look of that at all, especially the edge and reverse lettering. He's also selling these which I wouldn't touch: This feedback should seal the deal. BUYER BEWARE: FAKE ancient coins. Seller claims they're authentic, "all coins checked prior to shipping". I submitted the tetradrachm to an independent expert, who marked it as a fake, even provided URLs to stores selling the exact same replica (cheaper than what I paid!) -- other coins aren't similar, but identical (even faults, background markings). Also: auction pictures differ from actual coin; coins supposedly obtained from Wigan, but seller cannot prove. DO NOT BUY. You've been warned. Edited November 27, 2022 by Steppenfool 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted December 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 11, 2022 This probus? 90% sure its fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry G Posted December 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Amarmur said: This probus? 90% sure its fake It looks ok to me - I don't see any glaring issues with it. Why do you think it's fake? On 11/26/2022 at 5:18 PM, Steppenfool said: eBay UK is full of random low grade fakes now, I'd say about 2/3 of listings fall into this category. Thankfully they do have a distinctive appearance and are blatantly cast. I mainly buy exclusively from trusted sellers now. Otherwise the coin needs to pass my eye test and be a great deal on top of that. I know! It's really annoying, and clogging up my feed when I look for new coins. It's also slightly depressing that they often sell for more than my similar grade (but genuine) coins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted December 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 11, 2022 Its edge is too round and when you flip it the orientation is too perfect. It is quite good if it is a fake. Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted December 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 11, 2022 There's nothing wrong with the Probus. At least not from those pics. The overall look is ok, the patina is what you'd expect, the wear is ok, the coin looks like it passed through some pick bins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Julius Posted December 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 11, 2022 Would you buy this coin? If so why? If not, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiaora Posted December 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Only if cheap for the Black Cabinet! It’s a fake - nonsense obverse legend, poor style -especially the eyes and mouth, and listed on Forum Ancient Coins https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=231 Edited December 12, 2022 by Kiaora Additional information to answer the question fully! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Julius Posted December 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, Kiaora said: Only if cheap for the Black Cabinet! It’s a fake - nonsense obverse legend, poor style -especially the eyes and mouth, and listed on Forum Ancient Coins https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=231 Haha, yeah that “NOB C AVG” is interesting in the obverse legend. I bought it knowing it was fake for about $5. I’ll buy interesting fakes sometimes if they’re extremely cheap. This is a fun one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted December 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 11/26/2022 at 9:53 PM, Amarmur said: These Elymais coins look fake but really good fakes. I'm actually not sure... They look fine to me. Also, genuine small Elymaian bronzes of this quality are usually traded for very little money. Producing such elaborate fakes likely wouldn't pay off for the forger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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