maridvnvm Posted September 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 @DonnaML There is a significant amount of sub-variation within "Bust Type H", Radiate, bust left in imperial mantle, holding scepter surmounted by eagle both within a mint and between mints. None of these details change the bust types and I am not aware of anyone collecting these by sub-type detail. For example here we find a common depiction of what is potentially a Laurel wreath on the chest. Several coins seem to show this wreath attached to a "ribbon" as on the coin below. The detail of the patterns on the chest and the "straps" vary from coin to coin too. I will start with a few coins from Cyzicus to illustrate some of this Here the "straps" are a sequence of dots. Here they appear to be "florets" Wavy line with dots between. Wreath indistict Chevrons Rome:- Chevrons combined with wavy lines and dots variations on just wavy lines Multiple wavy lines and dots in parallel Two strips of wavy line with dots and chevrons between Sometimes the chest has diamond shapes instead Ticinum mixes things up too Square with star in centre? 11 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted September 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 There are a whole host of other sub-variations with regards to chest decoration. Squares within squares, diamonds, dotted bands etc etc. I simply didn't want to go on to kill the thread with an almost infinite number of minor sub-variations that people probably really don't care about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn235 Posted September 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 IMO, Probus was the last hurrah of truly talented engraving in the Roman Empire- there were some other appealing or creative types (Maxentius comes to mind) but Probus employed some real talent. I have a few examples with one of each major bust style in my collection: "Regular" radiate bust This was my "main" (most attractive overall) Probus when my binder held exactly one coin of each title for each emperor This one is fully silvered and lustrous in hand I just liked the captive reverse on this one Martial bust type - this is my favorite in terms of style, particularly the eyes and helmet detail! Consular bust This one has a particularly nice facing quadriga style with everything in more or less "proper" perspective, plus the hole + wear made it basically unsellable. And the obligatory Alexandria tet 12 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted September 14, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted September 14, 2022 6 hours ago, maridvnvm said: @DonnaML There is a significant amount of sub-variation within "Bust Type H", Radiate, bust left in imperial mantle, holding scepter surmounted by eagle both within a mint and between mints. None of these details change the bust types and I am not aware of anyone collecting these by sub-type detail. Thank you for all the great coins and information, @maridvnvm. May I assume that "imperial mantle" = "consular robes" when I see one or the other in a description? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted September 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 Yes. The terms are synonymous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted September 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 15, 2022 It is also worth noting that there are many other sub-variant which have more significant variations... Holding Victory on globe (Victoriola) instead of eagle tipped sceptre as seen here from Lugdunum Facing right as seen here from Serdica Consular / mantled busts are also seen silvered coins (I am not lookin at Aureus busts here) with Left or right not holding anything Left with right hand raised Left with eagle tipped sceptre and branch of flowers Left or right with eagle tipped sceptre and globe Left with globe 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwerpen2306 Posted September 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 15, 2022 I have only 6 Probus'coins, but I don't understand he struck so much coins in such a quality on only 6 years. One of my friends is very interested in his coins and has more than 1500 or more different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted January 20, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 Marcus Aurelius Probus, as Imperator Caesar Marcus Aurelius Probus AugustusAntoninianus of the Roman Imperial Period 276/282 AD; Material: BI; Diameter: 21mm; Weight: 3.43g; Mint: Rome; Reference: RIC V Probus 183; Provenance: Ex Roma Numismatics London Great Britain; Obverse: Bust of Probus, radiate, wearing imperial mantle, left, holding sceptre surmounted by eagle in right hand. The Inscription reads: IMP PROBVS P F AVG for Imperator Marcus Aurelius Probus Pius Felix Augustus; Reverse: Hexastyle temple, Roma seated in centre, holding Victory in right hand and sceptre in left hand. R(thunderbolt)Δ in exergue. The Inscription reads: ROMAE AETER for Romae Aeternae (Everlasting Rome). I got this beautiful Probus Antoninianus at Roma this week. The special thing about it is the overstruck. This coin appears to have been overstruck - remnants of the under type are visible on the reverse of the coin, where a triangular feature appears from behind the left hand corner of the temple roof, and what looks like a chimney stands above the right slope. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humilau Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) I know this thread is old, but it's always good time for some Probus posting nonetheless! A lot of what you will see are some rarer or nice ones from Siscia, but one of the posted coins is from Lugdunum and one from Rome. Obv: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG Rev: MARS VICTOR / III Mint: Lugdunum Emission: 5 Officina: 3 Bust: E1 bust with attic-styled helmet Obv: VIRTVS PROBI AVG Rev: ADVENTVS PROBI AVG / KA Mint: Siscia Emission: 2 Officina: 3 Bust: E1 Note: Part of a rare greek equivalent KA issued coins from Siscia which is normally known as a mint that produces coins with XXI in exergue. @dougsmit and I share a die match with our Virtvs Probi Avg / Adventvs Probi Avg with KA in exergue antoniniani from Siscia, which makes sense as the issue is exceptionally rare. Currently trying to track find some provenances for a lot of KA issued coins, so if anyone has any that has a known location where it was found let me know! Obv: IMP C PROBVS P AVG Rev: CLEMENTIA TEMP / ᴗ/KA Mint: Siscia Emission: 7 Officina: 2 Bust: E1 with a parma shield Note: 1 of 4 known. Part of the Siscia KA series. Obv: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P AVG Rev: CLEMANTIA TEMP / P/KA Mint: Siscia Emission: 7 Officina: 1 Bust: H2 Note: Part of the Siscia KA series. Obv: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P AVG Rev: CLEMENTIA TEMP / Q/KA Mint: Siscia Emission: 7 Officina: 4 Bust: H2 Note: Part of the Siscia KA series Obv: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P AVG Rev: VICTORIAE AVG Mint: Siscia Emission: 4 Officina: 1 Note: This reverse design is only used in one instance in the entire of Probus coinage. It only appears in the 4th emission of Siscia and only appears with KA in exergue. Obv: IMP PROBVS PF AVG Rev: ORIENS AVG / T/XXI Mint: Siscia Emission: 7 Officina: 3 Bust: B Obv: IMP PROBVS PF AVG Rev: PAX AVGVSTI / S/XXI Mint: Siscia Emission: 7 Officina: 2 Bust: B1 Note: I believe not listed with a B1 bust Obv: IMP PROBVS PF AVG Rev: PAX AVGVSTI Mint: Siscia Emission: 7 Officina: 4 Bust: E2 Obv: IMP C M AVR PROBVS PF AVG Rev: PM TRP COS PP / XXIQ Mint: Siscia Emission: 4 Officina: 4 Bust: E1 Obv: IMP PROBVS PF AVG Rev: LAETITIA AVG Mint: Siscia Emission: 5 Officina: 5 Bust: B Obv: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG Rev: ADVENTVS PROBI AVG / RΔ Mint: Rome Emission: 2 Officina: 4 Bust: A Edited January 21, 2023 by Humilau 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Humilau said: I know this thread is old Our coins over 2000 years old - so I see no problem 🙂 . But seriously it’s absolute well done reanimate here old threads with new informations or new coins - like you do. Fantastic examples - Gratulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 21, 2023 I must admit that I think that the highlight of the Rome mint coinage of Probus was the 2nd emission. Here are just a few of mine from that emission. Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– ADVENTVS PROBI AVG, Emperor riding left, right hand raised, left holding sceptre; at foot, captive Minted in Rome (RS in exe) Emission 2 Officina 6. A.D. 277 Reference(s) – RIC 160 Bust Type F Weight 4.30g. Maximum diameter 24.55 mm. Die orientation 180 degrees Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front Rev:– ROMAE AETERNAE, Roma seated in temple, holding Victory and sceptre Minted in Rome (RΓ in exe) Emission 2. A.D. 277 Reference:– RIC 190 var. Bust type C (Not listed with this bust type or officina in RIC) Weight 3.62 gms Size 24.59mm Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, Radiate, bust left in imperial mantle, holding scepter surmounted by eagle Rev:– SOLI INVICTO, Sol in quadriga riding left, holding globe and whip Minted in Rome (R in exe) Emission 2. A.D. 277 Reference(s) – RIC 204 Bust type H Weight 5.63 gms. Size 23.25 mm Obv:– IMP C M [AVR] PROBV[S] P F AVG, Radiate, bust left in imperial mantle, scepter surmounted by eagle in right hand Rev:– VIRTVS AVGVSTI, Soldier standing left, right hand resting on shield, spear in left Minted in Rome (//RE) Emission 2, Officina 5. A.D. 277 Reference(s) – RIC 234 Bust type H 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted January 21, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2023 Sadly I have very few Probus coins to show One imperial from Rome Probus, antoninianus - Rome, 278-280 CE IMP PROBVS AVG, Radiate and cuirassed bust of Probus right VICTORIA GERM, Two captives under a trophy. R*A at exergue 4.32 gr Ref : RIC #222, RCV #12055, Cohen #768 One alexandrian tetradrachm Probus (06 ou 07/276 - 09 ou 10/282) - Tétradrachme de l'atelier d'Alexandrie - AD 277 Α Κ Μ ΑΥΡ ΠΡΟΒΟC CΕΒ, Buste lauré, drapé et cuirassé à droite Aigle à droite, la tête à gauche, tenant une couronne dans son bec. LB dans le champ, de part et d'autre de l'aigle (2° année de règne) 6,69 gr Ref : Emmett # 3983/2 (1), Kampmann # 112.6, Sear #4773v, And one other imperial from the Siscia mint that I'm parting with and is currently for sale at CGB : https://www.cgb.fr/probus-aurelianus-sup-ttb,brm_758054,a.html Q 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jims,Coins Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 21, 2023 Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) with mint mark of XXIB, minted at Siscia during the reign of PROBUS in 277 A.D. Obv. IMP.C.M.AVR.PROBVS.P.F.AVG.: Radiate bust Probus to the left seen from ¾ forward, wearing the consular mantle and holding a short scepter surmounted by an eagle. Rev. ADVENTVS.PROBI.AVG.: PROBUS on horseback l., raising r. hand and holding sceptre in left hand. In front of the horse, a captive seated with his hands tied behind his back, in ex. XXIB. RCS #3340 RICV #632 pg.85. DVM #8 pg.261. Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Rome during the reign of PROBUS in 278 A.D. Obv. IMP.PROBVS.AVG.: Radiate & cuir. bust r. Rev. ADVENTVS.AVG.: PROBUS on horseback l., raising r. hand and holding scepter in l. hand, in front of the horse, a captive std. with his hands tied behind his back, in ex. R*S. RICV #157. DVM #6 pg.261. Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Serdica during the reign of PROBUS between 276 - 282 A.D. Obv. IMP.C.M.AVR.PROBVS.AVG.: Radiate, draped bust r. Rev. RESTITVT.ORBIS.: Figure of Orbis Terratum, stg. l., presenting wreath to PROBUS on r., holding spear, in ex. KH.H. in field *. RCS #3364. RICV #851 pg.111. DVM #39 pg.261. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, Jims,Coins said: Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Serdica during the reign of PROBUS between 276 - 282 A.D. Obv. IMP.C.M.AVR.PROBVS.AVG.: Radiate, draped bust r. Rev. RESTITVT.ORBIS.: Figure of Orbis Terratum, stg. l., presenting wreath to PROBUS on r., holding spear, in ex. KH.H. in field *. RCS #3364. RICV #851 pg.111. DVM #39 pg.261. Oh wow... thats fantastic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 21, 2023 Why didn't more emperors employ neat bust types? I like the coins of Probus but I think I only have 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 21, 2023 Ticinum has some great coins too..... Obv:– VIRTVS PROBI AVG, Radiate, helmeted, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield Rev:– HERCVLI PACIF, Hercules standing left, holding olive-branch, club and lion’s skin Minted in Ticinum (//SXXT) Emission 3 Officina 2. A.D. 277 Reference:– RIC 383 Bust type G. Obv:– IMP C PROBVS AVG, Radiate cuirassed bust right, wearing aegis, fold of paludamentum on left shoulder Rev:– PAX AVG, Pax standing left, holding olive-branch and sceptre Mint – Ticinum (//EXXI), 6th emission, second phase (with XXI), 279 CE. Reference(s) – RIC 547 Bust Type F 0 degrees. 3.98 gms. 21.16 mm Obv:–IMP C PROBVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– SECVRIT PERP, Securitas standing left, legs crossed, leaning on column, right hand raised to head Minted in Ticinum (Cursive Digamma XXI). 6th emission, second phase (with XXI), A.D. 279 Reference:– RIC 573 Bust type F (C). 4.98 gms, 23.65 mm. 180 degrees Sometimes the smallest detail makes all the difference Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding sceptre surmounted by eagle. Rev:– CONCORD MIL, Emperor and Concordia clasping hands Minted in Ticinum (* / PXXT) Emission 3, Officina 1. A.D. 277 Reference:– RIC 325 Bust Type H var (Unlisted with * in centre field, issues with the star are at least Scarce), In this case this coin type with the star was previously unknown with this bust type 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Snible Posted January 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 21, 2023 This coin looks double-struck, but actually the first strike was a brockage strike. Rome, Probus, Antoninianus. 4.22g, 22mm Ref: RIC V Probus 173 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavius Posted January 22, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2023 a couple of my favorite Probus antoniniani... 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted January 22, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2023 PROBUSRI Probus Æ Ant 22mm 3.75g 280CE CLEMENTIA TEMP XXI Emperor receiving Victory from Jupiter UNKNOWN EASTERN MINT 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaba6 Posted January 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) On 9/13/2022 at 5:38 PM, O-Towner said: I used to collect Probus types but my collecting has shifted to the later Roman Empire and Early Byzantine. Went back to look at some pics of coins that I longer own but were favorites back in the day. Here's one of them: Probus, AD 276-282, AE Antoninianus, Ticinum Mint, RIC 318 Ox: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG; Radiate, draped, cuirassed bust right Rx: PRINCIPI IVVENTVT; Probus standing left, holding globe and spear; in exergue, PTI Your coin was in my collection for several years. Here is a link to my photo and the description of the coin: https://www.colleconline.com/en/items/125657/coins-ancient-to-romans-imperial-and-republican-probus-ric-318-sold I sold the coin only recently. But I enjoyed having it in my collection greatly. I love Ticinum's rare 1st emmission with portraits still resembling Florian and unique reverse types (Prinicipi Ivventvtis, Indvlgentia Avg, Laetita Avg N[ostri], Perpetvitate Avg, Concordia Exercit) not repeated in any of the following emmissions either at Ticinum or at the remaining mints operating under Probus. Edited January 23, 2023 by Barnaba6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaba6 Posted January 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) On 9/14/2022 at 12:55 PM, dougsmit said: (...) Rarest Probus? Who has the Calliope? I recall Harlan Berk sold one 'back then' but not to me, for sure. Well, I have the Calliope in my specialized Probus collection. While it is NOT my rarest Probus coin it definitely is THE MOST desirable and expensive Probus coin: https://www.colleconline.com/en/items/125997/coins-ancient-to-romans-imperial-and-republican-alfoldi-014-001-calliope As of today, there are 8 examples of Calliope known. Meanwhile I have many Probus coins in my collection which are currently considered unique to the best of my knowledge as well as the knowledge of leading Probus scholars like e.g. Sylviane Estiot. Edited January 23, 2023 by Barnaba6 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaba6 Posted January 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) On 9/13/2022 at 1:45 PM, John Conduitt said: This is why Probus collectors are underrepresented. maridvnvm has them all 🤣 It's amazing, like an encyclopaedia of Probus. I'm struggling now for Probus... On 9/13/2022 at 3:24 PM, Prieure de Sion said: Sounds like an interesting collecting area.... and a life task 🙂 Well, Martin (Maridvnvm) does NOT have them all. I was able to gather almost 2,000 different Probus coins in 10 years. Here is a link to my whole specialized Probus and Aurelian collection: https://www.colleconline.com/en/collections/3268/barnaba6 I initially planned a life task for me to gather the biggest private Probus antoninianii collection in the world but after 10 years and 2,000 Probus coins gathered I said enough is enough and settled for the title of the second biggest private Probus antoninianii collection in the world. It was at that time that I also decided to start selling off my Probus collection. Some of you may have come across one of my several auctions in the last two years organized under the heading "from the collection of a true connoisseur of Probus coinage”. I will organize further Probus auctions this year as I still have several hundred Probus coins left. Will post links when the new auctions are online. My Probus collection is fully available online and I hope that it may also serve as a "encyclopaedia of Probus" for all Probus lovers together with the probuscoins.fr and probvs.net webistes, in whose development I was also much involved. Edited January 23, 2023 by Barnaba6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaba6 Posted January 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) On 9/14/2022 at 3:44 PM, maridvnvm said: @DonnaML There is a significant amount of sub-variation within "Bust Type H", Radiate, bust left in imperial mantle, holding scepter surmounted by eagle both within a mint and between mints. None of these details change the bust types and I am not aware of anyone collecting these by sub-type detail. @maridvnvm Martin, I know one collector who collects Probus coins even by the smallest sub-type details within particular bust types. He lives in England, is a professional numismatist and has the biggest private Probus collection in the world, much bigger than my collection which is the second biggest. I think you will know who I am referring to. But he is the only one. Edited January 23, 2023 by Barnaba6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted January 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 23, 2023 @Barnaba6 There also seem to be some coins that we would place early in the 2nd emission at Ticinum that still look more like Florian that also occur with the more standard Probus bust. Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen half from the back Rev:– RESTITVTOR SAEC, Emperor standing left, holding globe and sceptre, crowned by Victory holding palm. Minted in Ticinum (VIXXT in exe) Early Emission 2, Officina 6. A.D. 276 Here is the same type (different reverse legend variant) with the more classic Probus Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen half from the back Rev:– RESTITVT SAEC, Emperor standing left, holding globe and sceptre, crowned by Victory holding palm. Minted in Ticinum (VIXXT in exe) Emission 2, Officina 6. A.D. 276 Reference:– RIC 401 Bust type C 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaba6 Posted January 23, 2023 · Member Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, maridvnvm said: @Barnaba6 There also seem to be some coins that we would place early in the 2nd emission at Ticinum that still look more like Florian that also occur with the more standard Probus bust. @maridvnvm Yes indeed. You brought up a good example. Florian like Probus portaits do not occur ONLY during the 1st emmission. They sometimes occur later on too, although very rarely. The division between emmissions is not crystal clear and dies were of course reused until they wore out regardless of the divisions of emmissions which we invented 1700 years after the coins in question were struck:) I also have these types from Ticinum's 2nd emmission in my collection. The first coin is Florian like and is likely from the same obverse die as your coin. The second coin is already with a normal Probus bust. https://colleconline.com/en/items/181941/coins-ancient-to-romans-imperial-and-republican-probus-ric-401var-sold (Florian like portrait) https://colleconline.com/en/items/125759/coins-ancient-to-romans-imperial-and-republican-probus-ric-401-reserved (standard Probus portrait) Edited January 23, 2023 by Barnaba6 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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