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Your coin is probably this: https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/9/100

The halves of Chateaudun prior to the time when the coinage became vicomtal instead of belonging to the counts of Blois, to whom Chateaudun was dependent, are rather scarce. It seems that this minting center was one of the mints that stuck with a larger module 'grand denier' specific to the 10th century in the general area, together with the mints at Blois proper and Chartres (for the other part of the family) throughout the 11th century. The high mintage in this general area plus the overall prestige of the bleso-chartraine coinage in general might account for at least part of the reason it was selected as 'nostra moneta' for the barons, soldiers and pilgrims coming to the First Crusade from around Ile de France-Champagne. Anonymous under the suzerainty of Thibaut III as Count of Blois (1037-1089) AR16mm 0.51g obole bléso-chartrain minted at Chateaudun cca. 1040-1080. anepigraphic; stylized bléso-chartrain head between two crosses; cross in the middle DVNICS᎒ASTI-I-I-; cross cf. Poey d'Avant 1825 The coinage of Chateaudun is not one of the 'preferred currencies' of the crusaders as noted by Raymond d'Aguilers, and the fractionary types from this period are scarce (or rather rare as this one) -- for instance this 'obole' is not recorded by Poey d'Avant although the full grand denier with these characteristics is present at #1825. But the dating of the type ca. 1040-1080 would allow for it to have been carried over during the late 1090s to Syria, while the design with the 'bleso-chartrain tete' - very similar to one of the 'preferred coinages' the grand denier of Chartres - provides a rather competent argument for why this might have actually happened. A denier of Chartres, 'denarius Cartense' cf. Raymond d'Aguilers Anonymous during the reign of Eudes I de Blois (1004-1037) or his heirs in the first half of the 11th century AR20mm 1.17g grand denier, minted in the city of Chartres around 1010-1050. + CARTIS CIVITAS; cross, pellet in 4th quarter Chartraine tete/monogramme de Raoul degeneree, with three besants cf. Poey d'Avant 1737 Pl. 34 8 (obole), cf. Boudeau 206, cf. Duplessy 431 Also a middle-eastern discovery very likely. The rarity of the Chateaudun type in Middle Eastern finds is attested by Ingrid and Wolfgang Schulze (A coin hoard from the time of the First Crusade, found in the Near-East with remarks by Marc Bompaire and with contributions by Peter Northover and D. Michael Metcalf p. 341) where a single find was noted, from a similar issue (grand denier Poey d'Avant 1824ff) dated ca. 1050-1080. Both coins (this one and the denier from Ingrid and Wolfgang Schulze's article) were possibly mixed with the regular deniers and fractions of Chartres and likely circulated as 'Cartenses' during the period of 1096/7-1100+ although they are not from Chartres. This issue seems to be rare and likely one of the earliest issues for Chateaudun in the bleso-chartrain style in the 11th century. From the same issue but a denier, here. Together with the Chateaudun 'obole' came a denier of Le Puy -- both likely finds from the Middle East considering the general material that the auctioneer has been offering in his auctions. AR18mm 0.70g billon denier, 300-350/1000, minted at Le Puy-en-Velay , cca. 1080-1100(?) + SCE MANVE(?); star-shaped X I (chi-iota) monogram (or chrismon?) MONETA; cross pattee Boudeau 375, cf. Poey d'Avant 2231, Olivier groupe V, 1er type, Revue Numismatique 1927, Pl. VIII no. 12-19 The coinage of Le Puy-en-Velay is in fact one of the 'preferred coinages' of the crusaders during the First Crusade, according to Raymond d'Aguilers -- but worth half what the other types 'duo pogesi pro unum istarum.' In this style, with the cross and chrismon (or chi-iota) the coinage is present from around early 11th century, but the rounded bars on the cross and chrismon appear a bit later, around 1080 (cf. Olivier - Études de numismatique régionale, les monnaies féodales du Puy, RN 1927, p. 170-217 et 1928, pp. 83-100). So this specimen is very likely related to the First Crusade, considering also that the other medieval material offered by this dealer seems to point to the Middle East. 407 similar specs were researched by Ingrid and Wolfgang Schulze (A coin hoard from the time of the First Crusade, found in the Near-East with remarks by Marc Bompaire and with contributions by Peter Northover and D. Michael Metcalf) -- and more importantly, related to the 'obole' of Chateaudun presented above, at the very least chronologically. With the overall details, size and weight, this specimen seems to have been minted earlier during Olivier's 'groupe V' and the wear could indicate that it did circulate for some time before being carried over to the Middle East.

I didn't have the chateau presentation nor the denier of Humbert II tho, which is scarcer than Amadeus, if only because Amadeus struck lots of coin prior to his involvement in the Second Crusade.

Not gold, but nice orichalcum.

Your very castely thread reminded me of my CT thread that I will post here. Being a post about Amadeus III, it is complementary to yours. With Amadeus III, the Savoy family was recognized de jure by the Holy Roman Emperor, Heinrich V at that time, as hereditary counts of the whole area of Savoy, not just Maurienne, Chablais and the territories of Tarentaise, as was the traditional center of power of the family from cca. 1000. In the 1120s we know of him as a pilgrim in the Holy Land (in 1122 he was perhaps part of an envoy of Pope Calixtus II). Then, returned to his realm, he extended his dominion in Italy, and in 1131 he was recognized as Sire of Turin and throughout the 1130s he styled himself Marquis of Italy. At the same time during the 1130s, he had a series of conflicts with his brother-in-law King Louis VI of France, who at at least one point, tried to invade and annex parts of the county to his domain but died before managing to do so in 1137. In 1140, Guy d'Albon, Dauphin de Vienne, invaded Savoy along the Isere, but was met in battle by Amadeus at Montmelian, where Guy was defeated and succumbed to the wounds received in combat. Despite these conflicts on the Frankish side, King Louis VII, nephew of Amadeus, sought to squash all previous bad blood and even after the death of Guy, he reached out to Amadeus and made peace, also tightening his relations with Savoy and his uncle. By 1147 Amadeus was ready to join Louis in the Second Crusade. His retinue involved knights from both Frankish territories (including Dauphine Viennois) and Piemontese and Italian knights and barons as well. In the autumn of 1147 the forces of Savoy met the army and entourage of Louis at Constantinople, where Amadeus received the command of the vanguard. In 1148, while in Asia Minor, the Crusader expeditionary force decided to continue towards Antioch, where Raymond of Poitiers, uncle of Alienor d'Aquitaine (who was still wife of Louis at that time) ruled as Prince, by sea. In April 1148 the campaign reached Cyprus, where Amadeus became incapacitated by an unknown illness and died soon after. The news of his death only reached the territories of Savoy a year later, when his son was instated as Count Humbert III. He would pursue an ambivalent policy towards the ambitions of Frederic Barbarossa in Italy. The baronial mint of Susa was even destroyed by Frederic in 1174, in punishment for Savoy's rebellion against Imperial authority. The coinage of Amadeus III of Savoy consists of a single type of denier and obole, in the traditional style of the denarii secusini: These were probably minted at Susa since the early 1110s, but they were certainly regular coinage in the realms of Savoy and around by 1130-1140, being of good title and widely accepted by the local markets. A long minting and acceptance of this type is quite likely considering that, although scarce today, they seem to be very well spread out in Europe and the Mediterranean and that many of the specimens known are well worn from circulation. To finance his army and retinue during the Crusade, Amadeus contracted a loan from Saint Maurice Abbey in 1147, from which it is very likely that a large number of coins were minted. It is very possible that along with the good quality billon, what made the deniers of Susa popular during the rule of Amadeus was the rather easily recognizable design, with the obverse reading AMEDEVS o with cross and pellets and the reverse reading o SECVSIA with three pellets in the middle field. With the recognition of the Savoy family by Emperor Heinrich V as rulers of an Imperial countship begins the history of one of the most important European families.

That is the same representation from the second coin in OP, and the Cybele statue from Pergamon is a good hint towards the fact that these reverses did actually represent actual local cult statues.

Unfortunately I cannot help. But by the dimensions given for such a fragment, that is certainly a full denier at least.

If you're after just the MIR numbers, you might also take a look here at the collection of Frank Reinhardt: https://www.academia.edu/71026138/GALLIENVS_ANTONINIANII_PDF

Oh yes, the more successful denier of Maguelone-Melgueil left the coinage of Narbonne behind in terms of circulation and volume in the 11th century and clearly in the 13th century. An interesting twist of history considering that the coinage of Raymond I (Berengar's father) is probably the prototype for the 'denier melgorien' -- a twist that most likely had to do with the First Crusade and the better financial network and infrastructure that the Church had over the more atomized secular lords. AR16mm, 1.08g, billon denier melgorien, ca. 540-400/1000, minted at Mauguio-Maguelone, immobilise ca. 1100 or a little earlier(?) to around 1125(?) R A M V N O ⧜; Cross made up of large pointed I and two standards or bishop mithres(?); bezant in first quarter N A I D O N A; four annulets dot in center Boudeau #753, Poey d'Avant #3842. This specimen from a collection of coins of Valence, Lucca, Poitou and 'helmeted knight' of Antioch is likely coming from the Middle East.

This is a note from CoinTalk that was mostly overlooked in 2019, with some minor corrections. As I said in other threads, I'm going to slowly be sharing my older topics from CT here too. Berengar, also recorded as Raymond-Berengar, was the son of Raymond I of Narbonne. His reign as Viscount (1023-1067) was announced by his father by 1019/1020, when coins start being minted in his name. In 1023 when Raymond dies, Berengar is left in charge of the city of Narbonne, which made him one of the most powerful barons of Languedoc. While the overlords, mostly the Counts and "Consuls" of Toulouse, would often style themselves as Dukes of Narbonne during the 11 to 13th centuries, the actual power was held in the city and the realm by the Viscounts, who ruled as autonomous lords. AR18mm, 1.15g, silver grand denier, minted at Narbonne cca. 1060. BERINGARI; cross NARBONA C; four annulets, dot in middle of the field. Poey d'Avant #3749 Pl. LXXXII 8, Boudeau #736 p. 91. The coinage of Narbonne by these independent Viscounts starts after 1000 with Raymond I. According to M. B. Fillon (apud Poey d'Avant p. 263) the minting of coins naming Berengar started in the last years of his rule, around 1060. His coinage is scarce today -- like all the issues of Narbonne -- so probably the type with its variations was minted in small quantities or for a rather short period. As Lord and Viscount of Narbonne, Berengar used his power to mostly keep Narbonne as a safe haven for the Jews of Languedoc and Barcelona and defend his influence and sovereignty as a senior lord over the Archbishop Guifred of Narbonne, a former protege turned frenemy. During this whole local turmoil, Berengar was praised by Pope Alexander II for "defending the innocent and defenseless" and for offering protection to the Jews of Languedoc. In his letters to Guifred, Berengar's challenger in Narbonne, the Pope advises the Archbishop to learn by the example of the Viscount and keep his heart open to the innocents in peril of persecution and molestation. These letters, dated as late as 1063, as the conflict between the Viscount and Archbishop was dying down, show a very interesting relationship between the Holy See and the local prelates in Languedoc and a distinct interest by the Pope in the well-being of the Occitan Jews. An interest that was shared and acted upon not by the high prelate of Narbonne but rather the secular lord, who was in an open conflict with the prelate (the skirmishes between the forces loyal to Berengar and those loyal to Guifred had made almost 1000 casualties by 1063, a rather large number for such a civil conflict). Berengar died in 1067, but his legacy of religious tolerance lived on and became a sort of tradition in Languedoc, lasting up until the Albigensian Crusade.

Ten years later, ca. 65AD, Akmoneia, another Phrygian city, this time one under a Roman elite (rather than local as it was the case with Eumeneia) minted these, also in orichalcum.

Exquisite obverse, mediocre reverse.

We also have here Ross Glanfield of glebecoins.org (@Glebe), who has some of the most interesting notes on 13th century and Palaiologan coinage online. His insights are extremely sharp and the amount of information he managed to use and present in his notes is awesome. Another collector that I admire for his keen eye on trachea/stamena of this general period is @quant.geek.

I accidentally uninstalled my authenticator so I probably lost my CT account, but there was a discussion on CT where I wrote this: "stamenon" comes from the older 'histamenon nomisma' used in the 11th century for the full-weight gold coin of the Empire. ιστάμενον means 'standard' which conveyed that a coinage is of the old weight and purity (so the standard coin) in an era that saw some innovations in terms of currency and denominations at Constantinople. Probably the term stuck to the concave coinages after the 11th century because the full weight solidus (the histamenon nomisma) was itself concave, although by the 13th century it would've been meaningless as most documents refer to the 'perperi' or 'bezanti' (the hyperpyron) as the Imperial gold coin and the 'billon' trachea was by this time all over the place in terms of both composition and weight -- so nothing standard about it. For the Latins that used the term 'stamenon' for the base metal trachy it was possibly with its meaning as the most common of the coinages, so a petty coin, rather than what it had previously meant: a stable coinage of standard characteristics (like the 'stater' of the Archaic and Classical Greece, also a ιστάμενον in its own right).

That first Ambianum of @Randygeki is actually a chocolate biscuit dipped in milk. I read about them in RIC.

I'm always a bit surprised about the US post delivering mail on weekends.

You were lucky with Charles de Gaulle. I only had 2 Fedex deliveries lost ever, both at CdG Cedex. Not sure if you have seen the horribly cheap Langoliers movie with the guy from QuantumLeap (the book is quite good, written by Stephen King, the movie dear god help us) -- but that's probably a good way to understand CdG Cedex.

By now, Covid is just a convenient excuse. Regarding Ambrozie's question -- I think that a lot has changed in the regular Fedex transit inside (and outside) Europe since 2021 and things are not yet smooth with the new routes. Besides real live problems like the flash floods in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany last summer, I have noticed that different areas in Europe no longer have a steady route between them. That is, before 2021 there was an usual route from Western Europe (including the late BRD) to Eastern and Central Europe and a completely other route to Scandinavia and the Med. That meant that the transit was pretty much clockwork and Fedex Express was usually faster than its announced delivery date, thanks to ca. 30yrs or so of regular routing. In 2021 things changed and Fedex does not use the usual hubs in the transit between European areas. And Germany is no longer split between Central Europe and Western Europe, that means that all German-based correspondence follows a "Western Europe" route (mostly involving France -- if you have the misfortune to redirect through Charles de Gaulle Cedex add at least 2 days to your arrival date, usually 5), while the transit inside of "Central and Eastern Europe" which Romania is part of has remained very fast. I'm not sure how things work for Romania-bound Express service, but getting an Express delivery within this area to-from Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria is usually 24hrs.

Great idea. I have cointributed (see what I did there?) to Koinon and OMNI and would certainly be willing to help grow this idea in any capacity needed.

Charles d'Anjou is a rather controversial figure. He is often considered as one of the main lords who used the Crusades and his personal relations to the Papacy to advance his own imperial ambitions and Jerusalem as a pretext for his often ruthless and self-serving interests. At the height of of his career in 1278, he was: - Count of Anjou, Maine, Provence and Forcalquier - King of Southern Italy, Naples and Sicily - King of Durazzo in Albania - Prince of Achaea in the Frankokratia - King claimant of Jerusalem - Senator of Rome Which should showcase more than his rapacity as a Capetian feudal at a time when the conflict between Capetians and Plantagenets was at one of its highs, because by the time of the Eighth Crusade he was friends and allies with Edward Longshanks (the future Plantagenet King Edward I), brought him together with Gascogne barons and knights and an English retinue to Tunis and then to Messina to help the prince's Crusade to the Holy Land in 1271. He was also a benefactor to Frankish and Provencal lords (both friends and former foes) -- one famous example being the magnanimity shown to Barral des Baux who had revolted against him in Avignon in 1247, but whom we meet again in 1266 as grand justicier of Sicily (and the head of the Italian branch of des Baux/del Balzo family) -- as he was a bloodthirsty tyrant towards the Hohenstaufer, cold-bloodedly having Conradin of Sicily executed in 1268, after a kangaroo court trial and completely disregarding the young knight's rights and privileges. Charles was also an apt manager and reformer. He was especially good with finances and patient enough to give his own reforms time to catch on. The Registri Angioini show a glimpse of how involved he actually was in the financial well-being of his domains, especially the newly-acquired ones, like for instance was the case with Morea in 1278. Now for the coin: AR19mm 1.01g billon denier tournois, ca. 300-250/1000, Tarascon or more likely Avignon(?) mint, cca. 1275-6. + KAR0LVS ❀ SCL' RЄX; Cross pattee COMES ❀ PVNCIE; Chateau tournois with fleur-de-lys Boudeau 817 (Boudeau II féodales, catalogue général illustré de monnaies provinciales), Poey d'Avant 3944v, Roland 34 (Monnaies des comtes de Provence, XIIe-XVe siècles); Blancard Pl. III no. 4 These coins were imitations of the denier tournois minted by Louis IX of France, Charles's brother. Apart from the earlier type, this new type was minted after Charles conquered the Kingdom of Sicily and was recognized as king by the Holy See, to replace the old provencal of Tarascon, that had been losing weight and likely popular acceptance starting with the beginning of the 1260s (not to mention that it had been opposed to by Louis IX in 1263). As a result, the older provencal coinage was pushed eastward to Outremer and the Frankokratia, where it would become the prototype for the Greek denier tournois after the Treaty of Viterbo in 1267. The legends and design are very similar to the gros tournois minted at Avignon, so very likely the denier tournois of this type was minted at the same time with the gros. The rarity of both denominations allows for a dating around 1275 or soon after, but before 1277 when Charles starts his claim as King of Jerusalem. It is also possible that the two denominations were minted at the same mint -- very likely Avignon -- but the primary sources are missing for any monetary issue for Charles after 1274 and neither is modern research very clear about this aspect. Blancard (Essai sur les monnaies de Charles Ier, Comte de Provence p. 11) proposed a dating for this type after the death of Louis IX of France, which likely would not have had approved a series of deniers and gros tournois so similar to the French royal coinage, considering the precedent interdict of 1263. This particular specimen comes from an old french collection with a handwritten tag, which was completed in red ink: "Villaret Mars 2012 50E" -- I got it for 40EUR and I consider it a lucky break.

Wow, what a great conservation state. The note in RPC is also interesting: "P. Weiss points out that the woman called Kl Terent Hylla is actually Kl Terentulla, the mother of a man known from an inscription, Kl. Valerianus Terentullianus, see 'Eumeneia und das Panhellenion', Chiron 30 (2000), pp. 617-39." Back in Nero's time the archierea were still koine Greek specific for the area. By Domitian's time it seems that they became at least partly latinized.

Being that Cybele is a "native" deity of Phrygia, it is only fitting that she would be present on the Phrygian coinage in numerous instances -- some rather unusual. Like these two here: Agrippina II as Augusta (49-54) AE17 2.38g copper assarion/unit(?), minted at Eumeneia ca. 54-5AD. ΑΓΡΙΠΠΙΝΑΝ ϹƐΒΑϹΤΗΝ; feminine bust draped to r. ΒΑϹϹΑ ΚΛƐⲰΝΟϹ ΑΡΧΙƐΡΗΑ ƐΥΜƐΝƐWΝ; tympanon and lion's head to r., coming out of the tympanon SNG Cop 393, RPC I Temp 3152 (7specs) This coinage was minted under the first part of Nero's reign for Agrippina by local magistrate Bassa Kleonos, mentioned with the title of archierea -- unlike at Akmoneia, where the local elite was part of an early Roman aristocracy stemming from the late 2nd century BC, here we have a local authority with a local title, mentioned in his coinage for the Imperial family. During this period, the Eumeneian coinage honored Cybele, but this particular iconography dedicated to the Mother Goddess -- with the lion and the tympanon -- is rather scarce and unusual. Nero Caesar (50-54) and Augustus (54-68) AE18 3.75g brass (orichalcum) multiple assarion(?), minted at Docimeum ca. 54-5AD. ΝΕΡΩΝ ΚΑΙΣΑΡ; bare-headed draped bust r. -- small oval countermark with bust to r. ΔΟΚΙ - ΜΕΩΝ; Cybele standing, facing, between two lions who flank her and have their heads turned towards her. BMC 18, RPC I 3213 (16specs); Howgego 224(?) countermark Another Phrygian coinage honoring Cybele, minted this time in brass (orichalcum) for a young Nero. This iconography for Cybele is quite different from other cities, it shows the Mother Goddess standing with two lions flanking her and watching her at her feet. Possibly inspired by a local cult statue at Docimeum, a plausible possibility considering the unusual pose of this representation, especially for this medium, coinage being usually a rather conservative medium. But apart from the very interesting instances relating to the cult of Cybele as it would have been practiced locally in Phrygian communities like Eumeneia and Docimeum, I think that these coins shown side by side offer an opportunity to see possibly two distinctly Greek denominations, but in the Roman way -- by having pieces struck in two separate kinds of alloys: one redish (copper, the barely smaller spec from Eumeneia) and one yellowish (brass-orichalcum, the barely heavier specimen from Docimeum). Taking into account that the cities were themselves relatively close-by and that the regular use of the local "provincial" coinage was confined to the province, but used throughout it, with the larger denominations moving even between provinces, and the fact that the two coinages are practically contemporaneous, it is likely that they did circulate together. The difference in the aspect of the two coins (which would have been more obvious back then, especially in the color of the alloys used) indicate the possibility of separate denominations -- which shows some insight into a complex monetary system, very similar to the Roman Imperial, at a very early stage in the "provincial" coinage.

These videos are great, it's like they make you part of the whole experience.

AE3 18mm 2.55, should probably go here: http://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/7tri377.html AE3 19x18mm 2.60g AE3 21x20mm 3.50g AE3 18mm 2.30g AE27x26mm 10.68g possibly contemporary counterfeit from Egypt, note the NOB CAVS legend