Quintillus upgrade.... cheap duplicate coming to the Coin Cabinet :)

[GregH]

Hi all

I'm very happy to have FINALLY upgraded an emperor who defies upgrading: Quintillus. Coins of his are mostly heavily debased, poorly struck, miserable and barbarous - like my old example:

 

And here's the new one - from a pedigree going back to the 1960s:

Denomination: Silvered antoninianus (21mm, 4.07g)
Mint: Cyzicus
Obverse: IMP QVINTILLVS P F AVG Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Quintillus to right; below bust: •

Reverse: FORTVNA REDVX Fortuna standing front, head to left, holding rudder set on globe in her right hand and cornucopiae in her left

Reference: Cohen -. RIC 83. RIC V online 1265.18 (this coin).

Provenance: Leu Auction 21 Lot 5029 Jul 2022; From the collection of Dipl.-Ing. Adrian Lang, ex Münzen & Medaillen GmbH 13, 9 October 2003, 786 and Kress 131, 16 November 1964, 787

 

Yes there is some gunk stuck to it - i'll see what can be done to remove it.

 

If anyone is interested in my old Quintillus, let me know. I will place it in the Coin Cabinet shortly at a reasonable price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Furryfrog02]

Dang! I like both! That new one though.....😍 Congrats on the upgrade!

I have one Quintillus in the FF collection. He came in a lot of uncleaned coins when I first started. I'm still pretty happy with him 🙂 The legends leave something to be desired but the portrait on the obverse...and the fact that it is a Victory reverse...makes it a home run in my book!

[GregH]

4 minutes ago, Furryfrog02 said:

Dang! I like both! That new one though.....😍 Congrats on the upgrade!

I have one Quintillus in the FF collection. He came in a lot of uncleaned coins when I first started. I'm still pretty happy with him 🙂 The legends leave something to be desired but the portrait on the obverse...and the fact that it is a Victory reverse...makes it a home run in my book!

Yeah that one's nice. The portrait is the most important part, and it's crystal clear!

His brother Claudius Gothicus is equally difficult when it comes to finding a good one.

[Furryfrog02]

4 minutes ago, GregH said:

Yeah that one's nice. The portrait is the most important part, and it's crystal clear!

His brother Claudius Gothicus is equally difficult when it comes to finding a good one.

I've got a couple of decent CG2 profiles but not one with a Victory yet.

[GregH]

4 minutes ago, Furryfrog02 said:

I've got a couple of decent CG2 profiles but not one with a Victory yet.

My only GC2 is a provincial from Sagalassus. It's so damn nice, i won't be selling it when i finally find an Imperial to my liking.

 

[Kali]

Wonderful upgrade, it's got some good weight to it also. Usually, they are lighter.

[Orange Julius]

That’s a great upgrade @GregH! Coins of the period from Cyzicus seem to be of better quality and style than other mints. I really like Claudius II VICTORIAE GOTHIC coins from Cyzicus.

Here are a few of my favorite Quintillus coins and a Claudius II from Cyzicus as a bonus.

Quintillus - Rome RIC V-1 20 - FORTVNA REDVX

Quintillus - Siscia RIC V-1 79 - VBERITAS AVG

Claudius II - Cyzicus RIC V-1 252v - VICTORIAE GOTHIC

Edited July 20, 2022 by Orange Julius

[GregH]

40 minutes ago, Orange Julius said:

That’s a great upgrade @GregH! Coins of the period from Cyzicus seem to be of better quality and style than other mints. I really like Claudius II VICTORIAE GOTHIC coins from Cyzicus.

Here are a few of my favorite Quintillus coins and a Claudius II from Cyzicus as a bonus.

Quintillus - Rome RIC V-1 20 - FORTVNA REDVX

Quintillus - Siscia RIC V-1 79 - VBERITAS AVG

Claudius II - Cyzicus RIC V-1 252v - VICTORIAE GOTHIC

These are excellent - and it's hard to get a reverse as sharp as the obverse for these issues. The reverse dies usually wear down much faster than the obverse.

 

 

[Severus Alexander]

That's a superb Rome mint example, coingrats!!  As you say, it's very difficult to get both a good obverse and reverse.  The crud sorta looks like glue in the photo, but presumably somebody would have removed that?  It may turn out to be very hard green deposit.

Coincidentally I got what I consider a Quintillus portrait upgrade in the Leu sale today too, and it was an upgrade from the same coin down to the officina!  I'm glad you weren't after a Siscia portrait... or you might easily have grabbed my win out from under me (though you were probably after something not so off-centre... which I didn't mind given that Quint's full name was there):

I think this was a good price for a nice example of the Siscia portrait style.  (Same type as @Orange Julius's second coin, I see.)

I'll still be keeping my old 11th officina Securitas Rome example since the portrait is pretty decent I like to have multiple mints.  I just like the Siscia style a lot better.  (I might get a Milan too but only if I see one at a super bargain price.)

If I do get a Milan, I suppose it should be seriously off-centre, just to continue the trend? 😆

[GregH]

23 minutes ago, Severus Alexander said:

That's a superb Rome mint example, coingrats!!  As you say, it's very difficult to get both a good obverse and reverse.  The crud sorta looks like glue in the photo, but presumably somebody would have removed that?  It may turn out to be very hard green deposit.

Coincidentally I got what I consider a Quintillus portrait upgrade in the Leu sale today too, and it was an upgrade from the same coin down to the officina!  I'm glad you weren't after a Siscia portrait... or you might easily have grabbed my win out from under me (though you were probably after something not so off-centre... which I didn't mind given that Quint's full name was there):

I think this was a good price for a nice example of the Siscia portrait style.  (Same type as @Orange Julius's second coin, I see.)

I'll still be keeping my old 11th officina Securitas Rome example since the portrait is pretty decent I like to have multiple mints.  I just like the Siscia style a lot better.  (I might get a Milan too but only if I see one at a super bargain price.)

If I do get a Milan, I suppose it should be seriously off-centre, just to continue the trend? 😆

Yes, fortunately i'm not too concerned about the mint or officina for my own collection - I'm a generalist one-per-ruler guy, all i need is a nice portrait that's nicely centred. (It's becoming more like two per ruler these days - one bronze and one silver!)

Those Quintillus portraits of yours are well above average - and I've been looking at a lot of Quintillus lately!

[shanxi]

From Alexandria

Quintillus
Alexandria
Tetradrachm
Obv.: A K M A KΛ KVINTIΛΛOC CEB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
Rev.: L–A (year 1), Eagle standing right, head left, holding wreath in beak
AE, 8.42 g, 20.5 mm
Ref.: Dattari 5419, Milne 4298, Geissen 3050

[GregH]

44 minutes ago, shanxi said:

From Alexandria

Quintillus
Alexandria
Tetradrachm
Obv.: A K M A KΛ KVINTIΛΛOC CEB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
Rev.: L–A (year 1), Eagle standing right, head left, holding wreath in beak
AE, 8.42 g, 20.5 mm
Ref.: Dattari 5419, Milne 4298, Geissen 3050

The Alexandrian issues are super-rare I believe. That’s a good get!

[shanxi]

16 minutes ago, GregH said:

The Alexandrian issues are super-rare I believe.

About 40 examples on acsearch, not many, but the price is still not  high.

[Harry G]

Nice example, and great pedigree! Here are a few of my Quintillus ants.

FIDES MILITVM (Cyzicus)

VICTORIA AVG (Rome)

And a bunch of other miscellaneous other Rome types with terrible pictures (will take better ones soon) 

[ambr0zie]

Congratulations for the upgrade.

I like the old one also - I noticed that I find, for my personal tastes, coin with "generic" reverses less and less interesting lately. (For me, a generic reverse is a deity standing facing/right/left or seated  right/left)

I had the chance to buy not one, but 2 Quintillus coins when I was a beginner. Both with Providentia.

I am still unsure about the attributions for these. Second should be RIC V Quintillus 27.

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by ambr0zie

[Egry]

@GregH I know your struggle all too well.
 

My very first Roman coin was one of Quintillus, at the time I had no idea who was on the coin. I actually had no idea at all about any Roman coins. Picked it up on a local buy and sell fro $40. Looking back I over paid for this crude, oblong coin. But it started me on my way with ancients.

 

I’ve always been on a search for a nice round, centred, well struck, high grade Quintillus. As you know well, these are hard to find.

 

last year I did finally come across one, and I picked it up as fast as I could.

Here it is:

Quintillus BI Antoninianus. Mediolanum, AD 270. IMP QVINTILLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed to right / DIANA LVCIF, Diana standing to right, holding long torch in both hands. RIC V.1 49; MER-RIC 1109 (temporary). 2.41g, 19mm, 7h.

Good Extremely Fine; small flan crack at 1h

[GregH]

54 minutes ago, Egry said:

@GregH I know your struggle all too well.
 

My very first Roman coin was one of Quintillus, at the time I had no idea who was on the coin. I actually had no idea at all about any Roman coins. Picked it up on a local buy and sell fro $40. Looking back I over paid for this crude, oblong coin. But it started me on my way with ancients.

 

I’ve always been on a search for a nice round, centred, well struck, high grade Quintillus. As you know well, these are hard to find.

 

last year I did finally come across one, and I picked it up as fast as I could.

Here it is:

Quintillus BI Antoninianus. Mediolanum, AD 270. IMP QVINTILLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed to right / DIANA LVCIF, Diana standing to right, holding long torch in both hands. RIC V.1 49; MER-RIC 1109 (temporary). 2.41g, 19mm, 7h.

Good Extremely Fine; small flan crack at 1h

 That’s a cracker of coin! 

[Claudius_Gothicus]

That's a very nice coins of Quintillus, @GregH! Cyzicus is the rarest of his mints, but his coins from there are usually in pretty good condition. Right now I own only one example, from Rome, but I'd like to get some from his other mints as well, in the future; this one has a very weak reverse but a good portrait, and according to the dealer it originally came from the Niggeler collection, though I haven't been able to verify it personally.

Roman Empire, Quintillus (270), Antoninianus, Rome mint.

Obverse: IMP C M AVR CL QVINTILLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front;

Reverse: FORTVN-A REDVX, Fortuna standing left, holding rudder in right hand and cornucopia in left hand, Z in right field;

RIC V 20; RIC V Online 1165; La Venera 10118-10134; Normanby 1176; Cunetio 2342; 

 

I disagree with you in regards to Claudius II, however - if you're patient you can easily find coins in fine condition from all of his mints, and the portraits are usually good too, though obviously certain mints' styles are more detailed than others. I picked up this one in yesterday's auction:

 

It has the large, detailed portrait that is typical of his early issues from Siscia; in the following ones it becomes smaller and cruder but can still be nice, as you can see from the coin below. This is a selection of my Claudius II coins that I'd say have good quality portraits:

[John Conduitt]

12 hours ago, GregH said:

His brother Claudius Gothicus is equally difficult when it comes to finding a good one.

It is strangely difficult to find one in good condition considering how many there are. I currently have only barbarous coins and this beaten and broken specimen for a Claudius II portrait, which doubles as a Quintillus coin.

Quintillus (posthumous Claudius II) Antoninianus, 270

Mediolanum. Silver, 16-18mm, 2.29g. Bust of Claudius Gothicus, radiate, draped, right; DIVO CLAVDIO. Altar with flames above, crescent on side; CONSECRATIO (RIC V.1, 261). Found in Kent.

[Egry]

Here is probably the finest Quintillus I’ve seen yet. It was at a Roma Auction a while back. I had my heart set on it, I thought I’d pick it up for sure. I was willing to go well over what I thought anyone would pay just to get it as I thought I was one of the only people that cared about this ruler’s coins. Boy was I wrong!!!

To be clear this is

NOT MY COIN

 

supposedly mint state which is believable. This coin went for £2400! (Including buyers fee). My max was £400 and I thought I was way overpaying. I guess there are at least two more people out there that respect just how rare a nice coin of Quintillus is.

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Egry

[Ursus]

My only Quintillus is the same type as your "old" example:

Quintillus, Roman Empire, AE antoninian, 270 AD, Rome mint. Obv: [IMP C M] AVR CL QVINTILLVS A[VG]; bust of Quintillus, radiate, draped, r. Rev: SECVRIT AVG; Securitas, draped, standing l., legs crossed, leaning on column, holding sceptre; in field r., XI. 21mm, 3.00g. Ref: RIC V Quintillus 31.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Ursus

[John Conduitt]

52 minutes ago, Egry said:

This coin went for £2400! (Including buyers fee). My max was £400 and I thought I was way overpaying.

Wow. To be fair, if I was a multi-millionaire, I would pay £2400 for such a great example. I feel your pain with thinking £400 would do it, though 🤣

[Egry]

8 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

Wow. To be fair, if I was a multi-millionaire, I would pay £2400 for such a great example. I feel your pain with thinking £400 would do it, though 🤣

It is a nice example. I thought I was a shoo-in at £400, funny how the world works. It’s that clean reverse strike on it that in my opinion makes it so rare. Clean obverse strikes are hard to find but not as hard to find as the rev, but then again this coin has both 😢

[Valentinian]

As @Egryand @John Conduittknow, coins of Quintillus rarely (never?) come without significant problems. I have two, each with some nice features but with different problems.

You will rarely find one full flan. This one is remarkable for having full beading on both sides, but it is weakly struck. It is ex NFA auction 9, Dec. 10, 1980, lot 621. A subsequent plus is it is the Sear Plate coin, #11477. Sear had access to the NFA photo files and many of the plate coins in Sear are ex NFA. I got lucky that he chose to use this one.

 

My second coin is ex eBay in 2002.

The strike and dies are better, but the coin is crowded. I like the portrait and the name is visible.

I agree with @Egry that a £400 bid would seem enough to win that coin he didn't win. £2400 was far too much. If a nicer one comes along, it will be interesting to see what it brings. 


 

[Qcumbor]

Nice upgrade @GregH

The 3/4 of a Quintilius I have is problem free I guess, but Lord, I miss the 4th quarter !

Quintillus, Antoninianus - Mediolanum mint, AD 270
IMP QUINTILL[VS AVG], radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
[M]ARTI PACI, Mars standing left, holding olive branch and spear
2.8 gr
Ref : RCV # 11447,

 

And here's a decent CGII

Claudius Gothicus, Antoninianus - Mediolanum mint, 1st officina, AD 268-270
IMP CLAVDIVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind.
PROVID AVG, Providentia standing left, holding globe and cornucopiae. P at exergue
5.30 gr 18-21 mm
Ref : RIC V, Part 1, 163, RCV # 11361

 

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