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Hello all,

For a decent while now I have been looking into the mint structure of Siscia under Probus as it is the core of my collection and interest. But I would like to see what you all have for Probus at Siscia and only Probus at Siscia. Slowly over time I will continue a die study for the whole mint, but I would like to see other examples that I may not have caught while browsing hoards, auctions, etc. It only takes one die match to make a difference!

 

There are some members here in which I have already received permission to use some of their coins in research, but the more examples the merrier. 


What I would like to know is:
What examples of Probus at Siscia do you have? (or if you have a link to them stored on an online collection hosting site)

Would I have permission to use these images in research if I needed them? (with proper credit of course. And what would that be credited as?)

Is there any provenance to these coins?

Weight/Diameter/Axis if possible

 

Post what you've got! Watermark free images would be best. 

 

I'll start with a few of mine to post.

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One for me 

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21 mm, 3,56 g.
Probus 276-282 AD. Æ Antoninianus. Siscia.
IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, bust of Probus, radiate, cuirassed, left, with spear and shield / VIRTVS PROBI AVG, Mars, helmeted, walking right, holding spear in right hand and trophy in left hand. Mintmark: -/P//XXI.
RIC V Probus 810.

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Nice idea for a thread and a good reason to observe the images.

Probus AE Antoninianus. Siscia, 279 AD.
IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, radiate bust left, wearing imperial mantle and holding eagle-tipped sceptre / VIRTVS PROBI AVG, trophy standing between two captives. RIC 820, Cohen 942.
22 mm, 4,87 g

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My only Probus could use some help. It was the first ancient I ever purchased and I had no idea how to attribute it. At the time, someone told me it came from Antioch, but now looking at it, I wonder if Siscia is more accurate? Sorry for the malachite mess on the reverse.

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Probus AE Antoninianus. Antioch, 281 AD. IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, radiate draped bust right / CLEMENTIA TEMP, Probus standing right, holding sceptre, receiving Victory from Jupiter standing left, holding sceptre. Officina letter in lower centre. Mintmark XXI. Ric 921, Bust type C

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2 hours ago, ambr0zie said:

One for me 

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21 mm, 3,56 g.
Probus 276-282 AD. Æ Antoninianus. Siscia.
IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, bust of Probus, radiate, cuirassed, left, with spear and shield / VIRTVS PROBI AVG, Mars, helmeted, walking right, holding spear in right hand and trophy in left hand. Mintmark: -/P//XXI.
RIC V Probus 810.

Very nice bust type! A slightly rarer one to see. Alföldi 096/205 

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2 hours ago, expat said:

Nice idea for a thread and a good reason to observe the images.

Probus AE Antoninianus. Siscia, 279 AD.
IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, radiate bust left, wearing imperial mantle and holding eagle-tipped sceptre / VIRTVS PROBI AVG, trophy standing between two captives. RIC 820, Cohen 942.
22 mm, 4,87 g

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A very nice style of consular bust, there are some engravers in this Officina that do a great job. Alföldi 101/033
 

I recently picked up an earlier one from this Officina with a great style of consular bust. IMG_0510.jpeg.baaeca545a429b12d88e066ea4cd03be.jpeg

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1 hour ago, ewomack said:

My only Probus could use some help. It was the first ancient I ever purchased and I had no idea how to attribute it. At the time, someone told me it came from Antioch, but now looking at it, I wonder if Siscia is more accurate? Sorry for the malachite mess on the reverse.

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Probus AE Antoninianus. Antioch, 281 AD. IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, radiate draped bust right / CLEMENTIA TEMP, Probus standing right, holding sceptre, receiving Victory from Jupiter standing left, holding sceptre. Officina letter in lower centre. Mintmark XXI. Ric 921, Bust type C

Antioch would be correct! But the year would be 276. If I remember right, by 281 Clementia Temp had been replaced by Restitvt Orbis at Antioch. 

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This is my only Probus from Siscia:
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Probus
Antoninianus
277-280 AD
Obverse: IMP PROBVS INV AVG, radiate, cuirassed bust right
Reverse: CONCORD MILIT, Emperor standing right clasping hand of Concordia, S in center field. Mintmark XXI
RIC 657(S)

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Hello Humilau

A very good idea. I wish you a lot of perseverance and patience because the topic is very extensive.
I will be happy to share my knowledge and material. At the moment I have 37 Probus coins from the mint in Siscia.
You can see my entire collection with detailed descriptions https://www.colleconline.com/en/users/3530/graudenz
Below are some more interesting coins from my collection:

1)Probus Siscia VIRTVS PROBI AVG -

Note: Spectacular, extremely rare and desirable bust type

Only the 4rd specimen of this type known to me (the other being Numismatic Naumann auction 32/622 and Roma Numismatics e-live auction 4 lot 926 and Skibniewski

ex Paul Francis Jacquier auction 45 lot 1579 = ex Ph. Gysen collection )

LITERATURE: RIC: 810 var. (unlisted with I8 bust)     ;    ALFOLDI 096 / - unlisted with I8 bustspes.jpg.eda45f4e962fe7fca636eaf3164bda2e.jpg

 

2)Probus Siscia SPES AVGVSTI NOSTRI -

NOTE:Extremely rare and desirable reverse type struck only during the second emmission at Siscia (the famous Invictvs series with INV[ictvs] title in obverse legend) .

One of the most sought-after reverses in the whole Probus' coinage;

This coin is listed on probuscoins.fr website (coin id no. 5068; R3 rating): https://probuscoins.fr/coin?id=5068

In April 277 Probus arrives in Sisci. However, his stay in the city is short, because the emperor stops in the country only once to reach Rome
as quickly as possible and obtain ratification of the new imperial title by the Senate. Then, in connection with the city's return to the country,
a short-lived issue of gold and Antoninian coins without annex markings was issued, which emphasized the ceremonial nature of the coins This coin, from the famous Invictus series (the second issue of Siscia described by K. Pink in "Der Aufbau der Römischen Münzpragung in der Kaiserzeit"),
is interesting due to two unusual epigraphic features. First of all, the coins of this series are characterized by the addition of "invictus" under the abbreviation INV
(or INVICT) and highlight the emperor's victorious campaigns. The second special feature of this series is the addition of the pronoun "Nostri" in the reverse legends,
which reflects the great pride of the entire Illyrian people in counting the emperor among their own, having managed to liberate and secure Roman territory. During this broadcast we will find the legends, VICT PROBI AVG NOSTRI, / PROV PROBI AVG NOSTRI / SPES AVGVSTI NOSTRI Of these three legends, the latter seems to be the rarest, which is reflected in photographic documentation and auctions. The Spes Avgvsti Nostri was last recorded
at the 2018 Gysen Coin Auction and this coin is the only coin listed on websites and auctions. It should be added that Alfoldi in his study on the Sisci mint
(Vorarbeiten zu einem Corpus der in Siscia geprägten römischen Kaisermünzen. Heft V. Verzeichnis der Antoniniane des Kaisers Probus, Budapest, 1939, 88 pp.
(ekstrakt de Numizmatikai Közlöny, vol VI -XXXVI I, 1937 -1938) refers to three known copies. One was in the Missonga collection, the second was found in
the La Venera treasury, and the third one in a museum in London .

Kolner Munzkabinet auction 121 lot 1303 = ex collection dr Victor Wishnevskyspes.jpg.08b90840ede9b2998dcf5d860ed2b75e.jpg

3) Probus Siscia ROMAE AETERNAE -

Note: Scarce and desirable reserve type (for Siscia). Beautiful military bust with spear and shield decorated with Pegasus!

Apparently only the 2nd specimen of this exact type known (the other one being cited by Alfoldi)!

Provenance: Paul Francis Jacquier Auction 46 (II Part of Ph. Gysen collection) lot no. 456 = ex Ph. Gysen collection = Ex Jean Elsen auction no. 26 (1992) lot 945spes.jpg.6ed87a6a2ea0eceefaba646e35ea6488.jpg

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RE.Probus.RIC_5.2_703.jpg.5350d8bb017041670f4c95007abd0765.jpg RE.Probus.RIC_5.2_703_tag..jpg.a986e09418dab35589e64ddaaac254c0.jpg
Roman Empire. Probus. 276-282 AD. Æ Antoninianus (3.77g, 21.6mm, 12h), Siscia, 3rd officina, 277 AD. Radiate and cuirassed bust right, IMP C PROBVS P F AVG.  / She-wolf (Lupa Romana) suckling Romulus & Remus, depicting the mythological foundation of Rome. ORIGINI AVG / XXI T. nEF. Herakles Numismatics, 2010. RIC V.2 #703; Cohen 394; RSC - ; Hunter p. cxlv; Pink p. 51 series 4; SRCV III #11999.
Yes, that is actually the coloration of this coin: gold.  
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43 minutes ago, Jims,Coins said:

Check out this website on Probus Coins

 https://probuscoins.fr/ 

A site I use quite often. I have a decent bit of my coins plated on this site! Oliva actually added a new batch of coins to the site over the past few months, the first time I have seen it updated in a long time.

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14 hours ago, Graudenz said:

Hello Humilau

A very good idea. I wish you a lot of perseverance and patience because the topic is very extensive.
I will be happy to share my knowledge and material. At the moment I have 37 Probus coins from the mint in Siscia.
You can see my entire collection with detailed descriptions https://www.colleconline.com/en/users/3530/graudenz
Below are some more interesting coins from my collection:

1)Probus Siscia VIRTVS PROBI AVG -

Note: Spectacular, extremely rare and desirable bust type

Only the 4rd specimen of this type known to me (the other being Numismatic Naumann auction 32/622 and Roma Numismatics e-live auction 4 lot 926 and Skibniewski

ex Paul Francis Jacquier auction 45 lot 1579 = ex Ph. Gysen collection )

LITERATURE: RIC: 810 var. (unlisted with I8 bust)     ;    ALFOLDI 096 / - unlisted with I8 bustspes.jpg.eda45f4e962fe7fca636eaf3164bda2e.jpg

 

2)Probus Siscia SPES AVGVSTI NOSTRI -

NOTE:Extremely rare and desirable reverse type struck only during the second emmission at Siscia (the famous Invictvs series with INV[ictvs] title in obverse legend) .

One of the most sought-after reverses in the whole Probus' coinage;

This coin is listed on probuscoins.fr website (coin id no. 5068; R3 rating): https://probuscoins.fr/coin?id=5068

In April 277 Probus arrives in Sisci. However, his stay in the city is short, because the emperor stops in the country only once to reach Rome
as quickly as possible and obtain ratification of the new imperial title by the Senate. Then, in connection with the city's return to the country,
a short-lived issue of gold and Antoninian coins without annex markings was issued, which emphasized the ceremonial nature of the coins This coin, from the famous Invictus series (the second issue of Siscia described by K. Pink in "Der Aufbau der Römischen Münzpragung in der Kaiserzeit"),
is interesting due to two unusual epigraphic features. First of all, the coins of this series are characterized by the addition of "invictus" under the abbreviation INV
(or INVICT) and highlight the emperor's victorious campaigns. The second special feature of this series is the addition of the pronoun "Nostri" in the reverse legends,
which reflects the great pride of the entire Illyrian people in counting the emperor among their own, having managed to liberate and secure Roman territory. During this broadcast we will find the legends, VICT PROBI AVG NOSTRI, / PROV PROBI AVG NOSTRI / SPES AVGVSTI NOSTRI Of these three legends, the latter seems to be the rarest, which is reflected in photographic documentation and auctions. The Spes Avgvsti Nostri was last recorded
at the 2018 Gysen Coin Auction and this coin is the only coin listed on websites and auctions. It should be added that Alfoldi in his study on the Sisci mint
(Vorarbeiten zu einem Corpus der in Siscia geprägten römischen Kaisermünzen. Heft V. Verzeichnis der Antoniniane des Kaisers Probus, Budapest, 1939, 88 pp.
(ekstrakt de Numizmatikai Közlöny, vol VI -XXXVI I, 1937 -1938) refers to three known copies. One was in the Missonga collection, the second was found in
the La Venera treasury, and the third one in a museum in London .

Kolner Munzkabinet auction 121 lot 1303 = ex collection dr Victor Wishnevskyspes.jpg.08b90840ede9b2998dcf5d860ed2b75e.jpg

3) Probus Siscia ROMAE AETERNAE -

Note: Scarce and desirable reserve type (for Siscia). Beautiful military bust with spear and shield decorated with Pegasus!

Apparently only the 2nd specimen of this exact type known (the other one being cited by Alfoldi)!

Provenance: Paul Francis Jacquier Auction 46 (II Part of Ph. Gysen collection) lot no. 456 = ex Ph. Gysen collection = Ex Jean Elsen auction no. 26 (1992) lot 945spes.jpg.6ed87a6a2ea0eceefaba646e35ea6488.jpg

Actually I have been meaning to reach out to you! I am familiar with your collection through our good friend Barnaba. I have researching siscia for quite a bit now while I have been collecting. I've got access to basically all necessary literature and a lot of the hoards as well that contain probus. I have a colleconline though I haven't updated it in a little bit. I've got probably around 120 coins for Siscia at the moment in my collection, though also a few other probus rarities from outside my core siscia collection:

 

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I actually have had this coin of yours in my die study for quite a bit, it would be very helpful to me if I could have the image without the watermark on it as well as the die axis. image.png.04c7ed2f0f5c67b514159c6a5da7f2b7.png

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A very interesting project! I have only one specimen from the Siscia Mint among my Probus coins:

Probus, billon Antoninianus, AD 278, Siscia [Sisak, Croatia] Mint, 1st Officina, 5th emission (Pink*). Obv. Radiate and cuirassed bust left, holding spear over right shoulder (Bastien bust code: F5), IMP PROBVS P F AVG / Rev. Emperor facing, head left, holding transverse sceptre in left hand and crowning trophy with right hand; seated captive to left of trophy, hands bound behind his back, VIRTVS AVGVSTI; in exergue, XXIP [XXI = 20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy; P = 1st Officina]. RIC V.2 805 (var. obv. bust type); probuscoins.fr 2581 (R3, this coin) [see https://probuscoins.fr/coin?id=2581 ]; Alföldi, Siscia V 91.3 (one example listed) [A. Alföldi, Siscia, Vorarbeiten zu einem Corpus der in Siscia geprägten römischen Kaisermünzen, Heft V, Verzeichnis der Antoniniane des Kaisers Probus (Budapest, 1939), 88 p. (from Numizmatikai Közlöny, vol. XXXVI-XXXVII, 1937-1938)]. 23 mm., 3.66 g., 12 h. "Good Very Fine. Very Rare reverse type struck only at Siscia and Rome [see Sear RCV III 12065, RIC V.2 243] and much rarer at the former. Only one other example on CoinArchives sold by Paul-Francis Jacquier.” Purchased at Roma Numismatics Ltd. E-Sale 107, 16 Mar. 2023, Lot 1464; ex Collection of Barnaba Skibniewski, Warsaw.

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*Karl Pink, Numismatische Zeitschrift, Der Aufbau der Romischen Munzpragung in der Kaiserzeit, VI / 1 Probus (Wien, 1949).

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6 hours ago, Humilau said:

Actually I have been meaning to reach out to you! I am familiar with your collection through our good friend Barnaba. I have researching siscia for quite a bit now while I have been collecting. I've got access to basically all necessary literature and a lot of the hoards as well that contain probus. I have a colleconline though I haven't updated it in a little bit. I've got probably around 120 coins for Siscia at the moment in my collection, though also a few other probus rarities from outside my core siscia collection:

 

image.png.b0fde85247e5a88d742c19ad9f097cb1.png 

image.png.d14697162121106ece8eddd562229d01.png 

image.png.0aca28c627b768841a11bce1fa75853e.png 

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I actually have had this coin of yours in my die study for quite a bit, it would be very helpful to me if I could have the image without the watermark on it as well as the die axis. image.png.04c7ed2f0f5c67b514159c6a5da7f2b7.png

Hello.

Of course, this is not a problem.
Coin purchased from 2022 from a private source.

WEIGHT 3.81g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 21-22mm

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I would like to draw your attention to two more interesting pieces:

1)Bust B4 (Bastien Class)Radiate, cuirassed (lorica squamata) bust right, seen fron rear, practically unheard of in the Siscia coinage

LITERATURE: RIC: 651var(B4 bust unlisted) ; ALFOLDI 026.087 (2 EX.)

3,69g / 22mm

Ex Ph. Gysen collection = EX JACQUIER auction 45 lot 1597,ex Skibniewski

NOTE: Extremely rare (especially for Siscia) bust type!

Only the 3rd specimen of this exact type known to me (apart from the two cited by Alfodli)

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2)BUST TYPE: E4 (BASTIEN'S CLASSIFICATION)Radiate, helmeted, cuirassed and draped bust left, holding spear and shield (decorated with Medusa), seen from the back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: - // XXI
LITERATURE: RIC: 790 ; ALFOLDI 085.002 (2 EX.)

3,72g / 22mm

Ex Ph. Gysen collection = EX JACQUIER auction 45 lot 1517,ex Skibniewski (RDA lot 2104)

NOTE: Extremely rare and desirable bust type with shield decorated with Medusa in combination with a rare reverse type struck only during the 2nd emmission at Siscia (famous "Invictvs" series with INV[ictvs] in obverse legend). 

The reverse legend underlines close links of Siscia where this coin was struk with Probus, referring to the emperor as N[oster] = "our" emperor. 

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1 hour ago, maridvnvm said:

I have a gallery at Forvm with my Siscia coins:-

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=549

I hope that there is something there of use to you.

Oh absolutely, one of the first collections that had come to mind when I had started this project a while back. For a while your S//KA Clementia temp was the only imaged coin I could find of the type. It’s still the only private collection coin for the type, but now it sits with the Ashmolean and KHM in that specific die study table as they are helping as well. 

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Probus, AD 276-282. Silvered Æ Antoninianus (21mm, 3.28g, 6h). Sicia mint. Obv: IMP.C.PROBUS P.F. AVG; Radiate helmeted and cuirassed bust left holding spear and shield. Rev: PAX AVGUSTI; Pax standing left holding transverse sceptre and olive-branch; P in right field. XXI in exergue. Ref: RIC V 712 var. (legend 3, bust type G). Good Very Fine, nice dark patina. image.jpeg.77e0086f89a09756376ad90531e8b87f.jpeg

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5 hours ago, Graudenz said:

Hello.

Of course, this is not a problem.
Coin purchased from 2022 from a private source.

WEIGHT 3.81g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 21-22mm

spes.jpg.ad214c5253d09b3afb695290f0abfbb1.jpg

I would like to draw your attention to two more interesting pieces:

1)Bust B4 (Bastien Class)Radiate, cuirassed (lorica squamata) bust right, seen fron rear, practically unheard of in the Siscia coinage

LITERATURE: RIC: 651var(B4 bust unlisted) ; ALFOLDI 026.087 (2 EX.)

3,69g / 22mm

Ex Ph. Gysen collection = EX JACQUIER auction 45 lot 1597,ex Skibniewski

NOTE: Extremely rare (especially for Siscia) bust type!

Only the 3rd specimen of this exact type known to me (apart from the two cited by Alfodli)

spes.jpg.25ea623f4b4e13e7b09f42b4606b2e52.jpg

2)BUST TYPE: E4 (BASTIEN'S CLASSIFICATION)Radiate, helmeted, cuirassed and draped bust left, holding spear and shield (decorated with Medusa), seen from the back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: - // XXI
LITERATURE: RIC: 790 ; ALFOLDI 085.002 (2 EX.)

3,72g / 22mm

Ex Ph. Gysen collection = EX JACQUIER auction 45 lot 1517,ex Skibniewski (RDA lot 2104)

NOTE: Extremely rare and desirable bust type with shield decorated with Medusa in combination with a rare reverse type struck only during the 2nd emmission at Siscia (famous "Invictvs" series with INV[ictvs] in obverse legend). 

The reverse legend underlines close links of Siscia where this coin was struk with Probus, referring to the emperor as N[oster] = "our" emperor. 

spes.jpg.48756810699eb6976605120e1a1afff0.jpg

Much thanks for the image. Alright if I use the name graudenz in my tables or is there another in which you prefer? 
 

I can match your B4 bust with one of my own, also former Gysen collection. 
 

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I cannot match your E4 bust though with the attic and Medusa shield. Though I do have an attic/medusa E1 and heroic E8. The E8 is the fourth imaged example known to me. The E8 heroic was only struck from two obverse dies.

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6 minutes ago, Humilau said:

Much thanks for the image. Alright if I use the name graudenz in my tables or is there another in which you prefer? 
 

I can match your B4 bust with one of my own, also former Gysen collection. 
 

IMG_0528.jpeg.bdc35f6df7d09eb953a1ce96628abbc4.jpeg
 

I cannot match your E4 bust though with the attic and Medusa shield. Though I do have an attic/medusa E1 and heroic E8. The E8 is the fourth imaged example known to me. The E8 heroic was only struck from two obverse dies.

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Of course.

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31 minutes ago, MrZun said:

Mine is from Siscia or Ticinum?

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Ticinum. RIC 435. 

IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate and Cuirassed bust of Probus facing right

VIRTVS AVG, Virtvs standing left, holding victory

*/-//QXXT

3rd Emission

4th Officina

Bust Type (RIC): F

Bust Type (Bastien): B

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