Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 11 · Member Share Posted March 11 Well, a $650 mystery box isn't something I would do. Would you? Mystery boxes in general just seem not to work out. Yes, some sight unseen coins have worked out in the past, such as Dr. Fishman's c. 2009 $25 tetrarchal folles, but that's $25, not $650. I enjoy the Classical Numismatics youtube channel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted March 11 · Supporter Share Posted March 11 One more reason I dislike slabbed coins. These vault boxes are redic. I thought the same when they started with modern stuff. Now it's even worse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted March 11 · Member Share Posted March 11 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nerosmyfavorite68 said: ... Dr. Fishman's ... Who? Is he a mystery box dealer? Edited March 11 by David Atherton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted March 11 · Supporter Share Posted March 11 21 minutes ago, David Atherton said: Who? Is he a mystery box dealer? No I think this is Alex Fishman, a reputable dealer in Canada. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted March 11 · Supporter Share Posted March 11 Do they need a gambling licence? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AETHER Posted March 11 · Member Share Posted March 11 I have nothing nice to say 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ela126 Posted March 11 · Member Share Posted March 11 the only benefit i see here is potentially the gambling collectors, who likely will lose money, will see the low buyback amounts of the coins and realize "wow, these are significnatly less expensive than modern coinage... maybe i should look more into ancients as they appear to be affordable" That is if they're not immediately soured at losing 84% of their purchase value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 11 · Member Author Share Posted March 11 My recent Nicephorus III Electrum nomisma and nice Magnus Maximus siliqua totalled to that amount. I'm getting a lot more pleasure out of my buy. I wouldn't take a risk like that on the 'vault box.' Perhaps if it was $150, or something like that, with one coin inside... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ela126 Posted March 11 · Member Share Posted March 11 11 minutes ago, Nerosmyfavorite68 said: My recent Nicephorus III Electrum nomisma and nice Magnus Maximus siliqua totalled to that amount. I'm getting a lot more pleasure out of my buy. I wouldn't take a risk like that on the 'vault box.' Perhaps if it was $150, or something like that, with one coin inside... sseries 3 and 4 were 1 coin per box (i want to say at 200 each but i dont really know). Series 1, 2, and 5 were 3 coin format. so far i believe all of them have sold out quickly, and intially with significant resale premiums (apparently 66% premium during the first day)... crazy that so many rather gamble than just buy the coins themselves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 12 · Member Author Share Posted March 12 Comedy time: You gotta watch the first minute. Reminds me of "Fra-gee-ley, must be Italian! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 12 · Member Author Share Posted March 12 Even worse: They need to have Dave Hester do an opening, lol. He sure took a bath on that one. The Maximian looks weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted March 12 · Member Share Posted March 12 (edited) Are these NGC coloured cores unique to VaultBox? If so, why? Edited March 12 by David Atherton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 12 · Member Author Share Posted March 12 I also wondered the same thing. The black cores look less hideous than the red ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted March 12 · Member Share Posted March 12 I used to gamble when I was young but I always went for the safer bets, like Blackjack and crapshoot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 13 · Member Author Share Posted March 13 What do you think the Rene box is worth (the 'Ceasar's gold (sic)' one? I'd guesstimate $275, on a really good day? I'm not sure what the victoriatus from the "sol-uuu-dus" video would go for, but I wouldn't have been all that happy with it, after spending $650. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_spork Posted March 13 · Member Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Nerosmyfavorite68 said: I'm not sure what the victoriatus from the "sol-uuu-dus" video would go for, but I wouldn't have been all that happy with it, after spending $650. Not worth $650. It's from the recent hoard that hit the market from the looks of it. The coins are 80-90% badly struck or with bad surfaces or both like this one and would not sell well to actual collectors but they're a slabber's dream because all are "MS" or "AU" and as such most have been sold by outfits like this that cater to people who know nothing about ancients 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted March 18 · Member Share Posted March 18 (edited) Well, well, well .... https://www.ebay.com/itm/256448318747?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=8HIsjhCrRb-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=mMsDejf_TOu&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Someone's cashing in their chip. Edited March 18 by David Atherton 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 18 · Member Author Share Posted March 18 I'm not up to date on the aureus market, but isn't the opening bid more than the coin is worth? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted March 18 · Member Share Posted March 18 25 minutes ago, Nerosmyfavorite68 said: I'm not up to date on the aureus market, but isn't the opening bid more than the coin is worth? Yes, it's very optimistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted March 18 · Supporter Share Posted March 18 (edited) It's BIN not an opening bid. So it's the usual high price in the hope of an offer above Vaultbox's offer amount of $3,000. With eBay fees, they need at least $3,700 to better that. Edited March 18 by John Conduitt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted March 31 · Member Author Share Posted March 31 This video is the most erudite of the VI videos that I've come across. Too bad he received such poor coins (for the purchase price). He really deserved better. I watched a couple unboxing videos of earlier, U.S. editions. One box was around $1400! To quote a radio personality, 'How 'bout no?" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted April 2 · Member Author Share Posted April 2 Watching earlier series, the series 6 was somewhat of a 'bargain.' About 75% ended up losing $500+ on the series 5's. One American collector said it best, "I'm disgusted", and sans the cussing, had the reaction I'd have when pulling out silver eagles and other worthless coins. The 1850's shipwreck ones were pretty cool, but not worth getting soaked for. Even if I did hit it 'big' on one of the red cores, since I don't care much about American numsimatics, it probably would have gotten tossed in the basket,where junky coins go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted April 3 · Member Share Posted April 3 On 4/2/2024 at 3:46 PM, Nerosmyfavorite68 said: About 75% ended up losing $500+ on the series 5's. One American collector said it best, "I'm disgusted" 🥲wow, that is much worse than what I expected. I figured you would have gotten at least 50% of your money back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted April 4 · Member Author Share Posted April 4 Yeah. Search vault box 5 unboxing. The purchase price was 1250 plus expensive shipping. The ratio I've seen for the 6's hasn't been much better. They're getting soaked maybe $300 out of 675+. And per the 5's, the red core 'hits' I've seen generally hasn't been great. Woo hoo, a 10 (NGCX scale). 2021 (not 1921) Peace Dollar! There was also a trade dollar, which looked like total poo. That thing wasn't pretty. The way it works; two boxes are unsealed, and the third 'hit' box (which could be total crap) has a seal. One box is generally total dreck, like a modern silver eagle. I also wouldn't mind having a Morgan dollar, but not for that price... I wouldn't have minded having one of the shipwreck coins, but not by losing $500. Has the Julius Caesar aureus showed up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted April 4 · Member Share Posted April 4 Honestly, the only thing I like about VaultBox are the unboxing videos. Vicarious gambling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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