Jump to content

What do you think this is?


kirispupis

Recommended Posts

  • Benefactor

Recently, I was fortunate enough to acquire this coin.

331A5765-Edit.jpg.c993705d976223cd73b41ef91937a378.jpg

Lycia, Toriaion
Circa 3-2nd century BCE
AE 14 mm, 3.79 g, 9 h
Turreted head of Tyche to right.
Rev. TOPIAITΩN around an uncertain symbol
Unpublished. Unique.

 

The coinage of Toriaion is intriguing. In a paper by Meadows, he argues convincingly that a number of Side tetradrachms such as this one were counterstamped in Toriaion. However, of the coins believed to have been minted by Toriaion, there exists only this type above, and of that type my coin is currently the only known example.

In this case, I believe the attribution is pretty obvious since the entire city name was used. The main thing I'm wondering, though, is what exactly is the thing on the middle of the reverse?

At first, my thought was the hooves of a horse. However, there's a weird "thingy" coming out of the front "hoof" like a horn. Could it be some abstract camel? A jellyfish? An ancient fleur-de-lis? A very dejected frog? A headless monkey?

What do you think? Serious and non-serious answers all are good.

  • Like 10
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Benefactor

FWIW, here's the story I wrote for it:

 

Roughly 2,200 years ago, in a land called Lycia, there lived a man named Alex.

Now, Alex was an enterprising young man, and had what he suspected was an amazing business idea to sell overpriced pottery out of a barn and trademark the name. But he wasn't sure it would work. One day, while on a walk to think about it, he came across a frog.

"Hello!" said the frog.

Alex had never met a talking frog before. "Wow! I didn't know frogs could talk!"

"Well," said the frog, "I saw no reason not to. So here I am talking."

That's when Alex thought of a clever idea. He told the frog of his plans and asked whether it was a sound business proposal.

"I don't see why not," said the frog, so Alex put his plan into motion and, sure enough, he made a lot of money. Soon, he was the most eligible bachelor in town and he had his sights on someone he'd loved since childhood. He returned to the frog and asked whether he should make a proposal.

"I see no reason not to," said the frog, so Alex married her and they were very successful. He became so popular and wealthy that he came to rule Toriaion. To thank the frog for his sound advice, he minted many bronze coins of Toriaion with the frog on the reverse.

However, his wealth was noticed by the Romans, who insisted Toriaion pay them an exorbitant amount. The town had many strong men, and Alex wondered whether they should revolt. He decided to ask the frog.

"I don't see why not," said the frog, so they revolted. The Romans then killed Alex, sold his wife and children into slavery, slaughtered everyone else, leveled the town, and melted all but one of the coins.

That coin had been placed on a rock for the frog, but of course the frog didn't care about that, overpriced pottery, or the Romans, because he was just a frog. Yet it's the only one left in existence, left as a reminder to not always take advice from a frog.

  • Like 5
  • Laugh 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

A fantastic coin from Toriaion, Lycia, @kirispupis.  Amazing to have the only coin from Toriaion to have survived 2000 years! I will add a picture of the countermark attributed to Toriaion:

image.png.1b825fb51447d3668531dc2363a1c1c6.png

Leu 2022, and another from Künker 2021

Frogs apparently not the most reliable advisors reminding me of the story of Batrachomyomachia

image.png.50e7be993855c2928df835fce96d765f.png

Here are a few guesses for your puzzling reverse - none very satisfying for what I see on your coin.

image.png.e2d946c608f8686270274e15b722c6a5.png

I tend to lean toward some sort of plant or octopus....

 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, shanxi said:

Another similar example. Here the object looks like a branch (or the half of a lightning bolt) ?????

 

https://www.biddr.com/auctions/nbsauctions/browse?a=3985&l=4686819

 

Probably two slightly different depictions of the same object

 

 

That's an amazing find....looks like another coin of TOPIAITΩN..and certainly looks very branch-like.

image.png.5fb720c439de781329b2776a811f6bdc.png

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Benefactor
7 hours ago, shanxi said:

Another similar example. Here the object looks like a branch (or the half of a lightning bolt) ?????

 

https://www.biddr.com/auctions/nbsauctions/browse?a=3985&l=4686819

 

Probably two slightly different depictions of the same object

Very interesting! So clearly this isn't the only bronze from Toriaion, though I don't feel so bad about the price of my copy anymore. 🙂 That one definitely appears to be a thunderbolt, though I find it difficult to say mine is the same shape.

 

5 hours ago, Sulla80 said:

A fantastic coin from Toriaion, Lycia, @kirispupis.  Amazing to have the only coin from Toriaion to have survived 2000 years! I will add a picture of the countermark attributed to Toriaion:

image.png.1b825fb51447d3668531dc2363a1c1c6.png

Leu 2022, and another from Künker 2021

Frogs apparently not the most reliable advisors reminding me of the story of Batrachomyomachia

image.png.50e7be993855c2928df835fce96d765f.png

Here are a few guesses for your puzzling reverse - none very satisfying for what I see on your coin.

image.png.e2d946c608f8686270274e15b722c6a5.png

I tend to lean toward some sort of plant or octopus....

 

Note that I don't really think it's a frog. I just felt that made a nice story. Toriaion was an inland city, so I'm doubtful about a prow, squid, or dolphin. Ideally, it would help to know more about the history of Toriaion - their main temple(s) and trade - but we don't. The ruins have been identified, though. This paper is the best I've found so far. The paper does give an end date of 166 BCE to it, and I suspect there's a high likelyhood it was minted between when it was given polis status in 188 BCE and when the city was presumed destroyed in 168-166 bce.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...