Phil Anthos Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 While the helmets are very cool (and possibly just a bit kinky), the variety is nearly amazing. Athena certainly loved Her hats! I've a few, you probably have more. So let's see those Skyllas and olive leaves and whatever else you might have. Here's some Magna Graecian silver to start, a griffin from Velia and an owl from Hyria... 12 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted January 25 · Supporter Share Posted January 25 Lovely helmeted Athenas and great thread idea! She was a multi-helmeted woman. Her are a few of mine: 10 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 Great helmet deco courtesy of Marcus Lucullus , treasurer c86/84 BC 8 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 25 · Member Author Share Posted January 25 Here's a couple of diobols from Taras featuring a hippocamp and Skylla hurling a stone... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted January 25 · Supporter Share Posted January 25 Athena in a Phrygian helmet here, one of her more unusual choices. A supposed Williams reference coin but as there 727,000 of them, that's not as important as the centauress on her head. Velia, 340BC approx, AR Nomos Williams 315e. Obv.: Helmeted head of Athena l., wearing Phrygian helmet decorated with centauress, behind the neck-guard monogram KE. Rev.: Lion pulling down stag r., Greek 'FI' beneath, Greek legend "ΥΕΛΗΤΩΝ". 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 25 · Member Author Share Posted January 25 15 minutes ago, Deinomenid said: Athena in a Phrygian helmet here, one of her more unusual choices. A supposed Williams reference coin but as there 727,000 of them, that's not as important as the centauress on her head. Velia, 340BC approx, AR Nomos Williams 315e. Obv.: Helmeted head of Athena l., wearing Phrygian helmet decorated with centauress, behind the neck-guard monogram KE. Rev.: Lion pulling down stag r., Greek 'FI' beneath, Greek legend "ΥΕΛΗΤΩΝ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 25 · Member Author Share Posted January 25 One of my very favorite reverse types! Here's another Phrygian helmet, this time sporting a griffin... 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, Deinomenid said: Athena in a Phrygian helmet here, one of her more unusual choices It's interesting to see a Phrygian helmet with a crest ... You wouldn't happen to know if any actual Phrgyian helmets have been found with a crest attachment point? Athena's helmet also appears to have an Attic browband! It seems a bit odd to have a cap-inspired helmet with a crest, but why not pimp it out I suppose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted January 25 · Supporter Share Posted January 25 34 minutes ago, Heliodromus said: You wouldn't happen to know if any actual Phrgyian helmets have been found with a crest attachment point https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-4265275 Close enough. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deinomenid said: Close enough. Well, kinda. I'd found that one too, but it's Phrygrian-Chalcidian, and has that metal crest rather than a holder/attachment point for a real hair/feather one. Of course it'd be easy enough to attach a crest to a Phyrgian/any helmet if one wanted to, but plenty of Phyrgian helmets have been found and I've not been able to find one that does actually have an attachment point. In a similar vein, Constantine I's VLPP coinage depicts contemporary ridge helmets with crests, but the vast majority of actual ridge helmet finds don't have any provision for a crest (although some do have a permanently attached metal one). I'm wondering if Athena's helmet there is historic reality or maybe artistic licence ? Edited January 25 by Heliodromus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis JJ Posted January 25 · Supporter Share Posted January 25 Have we no fans of the minimalist Corinthian helmet? Its elegant use of empty space, its gentle open curves and contours? We need not begrudge Athena the busy decorations and triple crests of her Attic helmet, to appreciate the simple beauty of the former.... 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted January 26 · Member Share Posted January 26 Archaic Corinthian helmet And one with Pegasos 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 26 · Member Author Share Posted January 26 Here's my Attic Athena, followed my some nearly similar scrollwork on a diobol from Taras... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edessa Posted January 27 · Supporter Share Posted January 27 Cilicia, Soloi. Balakros, Satrap of Cilicia, 333-323 BC. AR Stater (24mm, 10.82g, 7h). Obv: Baaltars seated left, holding scepter; grain ear and grapes to left, Σ below throne. Rev: Draped bust of Athena facing slightly left, wearing triple-crested Attic helmet. Ref: Casabonne series 2; SNG France 196/197 (for obv. die/rev. type); SNG Levante 52. Good Fine, toned, test cut. Ex CNG. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 30 · Member Author Share Posted January 30 Here's another Soloi, this time a Corinthian helmet but not nearly in the same class... ~ Peter 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennos Posted January 31 · Member Share Posted January 31 A griffin springing to right on this stater of Agathokles 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 31 · Member Author Share Posted January 31 Here's a Corinthian helmet with a griffin and an unadorned Attic helmet... ~ Peter 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis JJ Posted January 31 · Supporter Share Posted January 31 I don't think we've seem one with "three dots" yet! Also, did the engraver sign the neck flap? Tarentum Diobol, c. 325-280 BCE Ex Clain-Stefanelli Collection. (Wish I knew where that old toning came from! Not Vlasto or Côte, unfortunately.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted January 31 · Supporter Share Posted January 31 9 hours ago, Curtis JJ said: Also, did the engraver sign the neck flap? Sadly no. This coin is possibly a bit later than described. I'm not throwing my "scholarship" up again Clain-Stefanelli, just the big recent Tarentum diobol study that has your cointype's series described in some detail. It's likely a series g type 203. Rather dry, but there we go. The series has various control marks on the neckguard including yours. The dots are roses, or were earlier in the series and degenerated into rings with tiny holes in them. The dating is from a truly desperate phase of Tarentum's life, between 281 and 272 from war with Rome until defeat. Pyrrhus was around though possibly pushed back by the time of this coin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 31 · Member Author Share Posted January 31 Here is the type with rosettes... Taras, Calabria 281-276 BC AR Diobol (12mm, 1.03g) O: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet decorated with 3 rosettes; M behind, A on neckguard, Δ below chin. R: Herakles kneeling right, wrestling the Nemean lion, club in right hand. D'Andrea LXI, 1047; D'Andrea Diobols G, 199; cfVlasto 1372-73; SNG France 2117; Cote cf 254; HN Italy 976 ex Bertolami Fine Arts ~ Peter 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted January 31 · Member Author Share Posted January 31 Here's a wreath and what is described as a triton but which looks very similar to Skylla to me, although the tail does seems a bit different... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted February 1 · Member Author Share Posted February 1 (edited) A Corinthian helmet from Metapontum decorated with a running wolf... ~ Peter Edited February 3 by Phil Anthos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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