Jason23 Posted October 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted October 21, 2023 Hi all, I have just joined this forum, and thought I would share a coin I won earlier this year. For coins I am focussed on early Roman Republican coins, for antiquities I am focussed predominantly on Iron Age Etruscan artefacts (the so-called "Villanovan"). Moneyer: L.ATILI NOM, 141BC, Rome mint, denarius Obverse: Helmeted head of Roma r.; behind, XVI. Border of dots. Reverse: Victory in biga r., holding whip in r. hand and reins in l. hand; below, L•ATILI ligated; in exergue, NOM. Line border. Dimensions: 20.0mm; 3.83g; 8h Condition: Very fine; cabinet tone References: RRC 225/1; Sydenham 444; BMCRR Rome 904 Provenance: Switzerland – Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG, Auction 138, 18 May 2023, lot 401 (Graham Collection of Roman Republican Coins); reputedly private purchase from Jules Florange on 23 March 1974. I was super happy to obtain this coin. For memory, Andrew McCabe considers this type as a "classic rarity” (I read this somewhere, but cannot recall where!). Crawford notes that the legend NOM, in the position occupied by the name ROMA on contemporary issues, appears without exception on official pieces of this issue. The substitution of NOM for ROMA is unexplained; I like Crawford’s explanation in the Roman tradition of punning names that we often seen on the Roman Republican coinage. The moneyer is perhaps L. Atilius Nomentanus and perhaps identical with the Nomentanus who was probably on the staff of Q. Mucius Scaevola, pr. 120BC in Asia. I've not yet started a deep dive on provenance (but on a first pass, no match in Schaefer)! 23 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted October 22, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 A beautiful coin - congratulations! And, welcome to the Forum! 🙂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted October 22, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Jason23 said: Hi all, I have just joined this forum, and thought I would share a coin I won earlier this year. For coins I am focussed on early Roman Republican coins, for antiquities I am focussed predominantly on Iron Age Etruscan artefacts (the so-called "Villanovan"). Moneyer: L.ATILI NOM, 141BC, Rome mint, denarius Obverse: Helmeted head of Roma r.; behind, XVI. Border of dots. Reverse: Victory in biga r., holding whip in r. hand and reins in l. hand; below, L•ATILI ligated; in exergue, NOM. Line border. Dimensions: 20.0mm; 3.83g; 8h Condition: Very fine; cabinet tone References: RRC 225/1; Sydenham 444; BMCRR Rome 904 Provenance: Switzerland – Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG, Auction 138, 18 May 2023, lot 401 (Graham Collection of Roman Republican Coins); reputedly private purchase from Jules Florange on 23 March 1974. I was super happy to obtain this coin. For memory, Andrew McCabe considers this type as a "classic rarity” (I read this somewhere, but cannot recall where!). Crawford notes that the legend NOM, in the position occupied by the name ROMA on contemporary issues, appears without exception on official pieces of this issue. The substitution of NOM for ROMA is unexplained; I like Crawford’s explanation in the Roman tradition of punning names that we often seen on the Roman Republican coinage. The moneyer is perhaps L. Atilius Nomentanus and perhaps identical with the Nomentanus who was probably on the staff of Q. Mucius Scaevola, pr. 120BC in Asia. I've not yet started a deep dive on provenance (but on a first pass, no match in Schaefer)! Beautiful! Welcome to the forum, Jason. Good to see you here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted October 22, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 Welcome to the board! And bonus points for style with your first thread being an RR! Here's a coin from just a few years later, but still pre Gracchi bros: C. Renius, Rome, 138 BC. AR Denarius (17mm, 3.60g). Helmeted head of Roma r. R/ Juno Caprotina driving biga of goats r., holding whip, reins, and sceptre. Crawford 231/1; RBW 961; RSC Renia 1. Fine. Purchased from Aphrodite Dec 2022 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason23 Posted October 22, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, DonnaML said: Beautiful! Welcome to the forum, Jason. Good to see you here Thanks Donna! Have been meaning to join for a while. Might share some of my antiquities too - love seeing yours! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason23 Posted October 22, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, Ryro said: Welcome to the board! And bonus points for style with your first thread being an RR! Here's a coin from just a few years later, but still pre Gracchi bros: C. Renius, Rome, 138 BC. AR Denarius (17mm, 3.60g). Helmeted head of Roma r. R/ Juno Caprotina driving biga of goats r., holding whip, reins, and sceptre. Crawford 231/1; RBW 961; RSC Renia 1. Fine. Purchased from Aphrodite Dec 2022 Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisimo Posted October 22, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 Congrats on a great coin, Jason. Welcome to the forum! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted October 22, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 Welcome here ! Very interesting issue and good catch as it seems, congrats ! Q 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limes Posted October 22, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 Welcome! That's a very nice coin and first post. I think there are some members here who are very fanatic when it comes to provenance searching and so on. Maybe they can help you out with your quest (if you of course would like that). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted October 22, 2023 · Patron Share Posted October 22, 2023 Welcome, @Jason23! That's a lovely coin! Coingratulations on the new addition to your numophylacium! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavius Posted October 23, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2023 Great coin! Would love to see some Etruscan antiquities! Glad you joined. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason23 Posted October 23, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Octavius said: Great coin! Would love to see some Etruscan antiquities! Glad you joined. Thanks Octavius! Will be very happy to share some of my Etruscan collection 🙂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason23 Posted October 23, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 6:45 PM, Limes said: Welcome! That's a very nice coin and first post. I think there are some members here who are very fanatic when it comes to provenance searching and so on. Maybe they can help you out with your quest (if you of course would like that). Thank you! I've been getting some great support with resources to follow for provenance hunting, but of course always welcome more advice and tips! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Phil Davis Posted October 23, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted October 23, 2023 For background, what's cool about this coin is that it's the first denarius to omit the name "Roma," replacing it with the pseudo-punning "Nom." "Nom" on the OP coin is dramatically clear and well-centered, which can't be said about the majority of examples of the type. A very worthwhile coin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJBrinkman Posted October 25, 2023 · Member Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Very nice example of a the rarest issue of the five major issues with "XVI" as the mark of value. Your coin is special for the reasons @Phil Davis mentions. Although Crawford only cites these five issues with the XVI mark of value, there are extremely rare examples of RRC 232/1, Cn Geli, with this XVI mark of value, discovered by Pierluigi Debernardi. A few authentic examples with XVI clearly used, and a few examples where the die had been modified to erase the VI Edited October 25, 2023 by SteveJBrinkman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason23 Posted October 27, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 3:40 AM, Phil Davis said: For background, what's cool about this coin is that it's the first denarius to omit the name "Roma," replacing it with the pseudo-punning "Nom." "Nom" on the OP coin is dramatically clear and well-centered, which can't be said about the majority of examples of the type. A very worthwhile coin. Thanks Phil, yes it has definitely taken pride of place and was very happy to pay a bit extra for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason23 Posted October 27, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 11:01 AM, SteveJBrinkman said: Very nice example of a the rarest issue of the five major issues with "XVI" as the mark of value. Your coin is special for the reasons @Phil Davis mentions. Although Crawford only cites these five issues with the XVI mark of value, there are extremely rare examples of RRC 232/1, Cn Geli, with this XVI mark of value, discovered by Pierluigi Debernardi. A few authentic examples with XVI clearly used, and a few examples where the die had been modified to erase the VI Thanks Steve, I'm keen to collect the known XVI issues although the rare RRC 232/1 examples might be hardest to come by! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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