Roman Collector Posted June 13, 2022 · Patron Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) In his CoinWeek Ancient Coin Series, Mike Markowitz recently discussed the coinage of Julian the Apostate. Have a look! Here's one from Mike's article: Julian II (Caesar, 355-361). Solidus. Antioch, c. 355-361. D N IVLIANV S NOB CAVS (instead of CAES). Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust r. Rv. GLORIA REI PVBLICAE. Roma and Constantinopolis, with foot on prow, and Roma enthroned to front, supporting between them shield inscribed with * and four small ×; in exergue, SMANB. AV 4.45 grams, 12h. RIC VIII, 166 var; Depeyrot 9/2 var. About Extremely Fine. (6,500-7,500). Stack’s (pre-Feb 2011) > Moneta Imperii Romani Byzantini 12 January 2009. Lot: 3012. Realized: $7,000. Here's one from my collection. Julian II, 361-363. Roman Silvered AE 3 Centenionalis; 3.16 g. 18.3 mm. Antioch mint, AD 362-363. Obv: D N FL CL IVLIANVS P F, helmeted and cuirassed bust, left, holding spear and shield. Rev: VOT X MVLT XX, legend within wreath; in exergue: ANTA between two palm fronds. Refs: RIC 220; Cohen 151; RCV 19181; LRBC 2642. Let's see your Julian II coins! Edited June 13, 2022 by Roman Collector Evil plot, for sure. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisimo Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 I’ll have to give the article a read. Thanks RC. One of my favorite Late Roman coins is my Julian II bull from Antioch. One of the only coins I know that was actually mentioned in the writings of the emperor himself. Roman Empire Julian II (AD 360-363) AE1, Antioch mint, struck ca. AD 361-363 Dia.: 28 mm Wt.: 8.7 g Obv.: D N FL CL IVLI-ANVS P F AVG: Diademed, cuirassed bust right. Rev.: SECVRITAS REI PVB; Bull, head facing, standing right. Two starts above Ref.: RIC VIII 216, pg 532 Ex Frank S. Robinson Collection, Purchased from David Micheals (Palladium) in the 1990s, ex FSR Auction 107 lot 389 (Jan. 2019), ex FSR Jan. 2010 sale. Not to be outdone my oldest provenance is a Julian II from the Harptree Hoard found in 1887. Roman Empire Julian II, AD 360-363 AR Siliqua, Lugdunum mint, struck ca. AD 360-361 Wt.: 2.23 g Dia.: 18 mm Obv.: FL CL IVLIA NVS P P AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right Rev.: VICTORIA DD NN AVG, Victory advancing left, holding wreath and palm frond Ref.: LVG. RIC VIII 212; Lyon 259; RSC 58†c, IRBCH 1424 Ex Harptree Hoard (1887) 20 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayAg47 Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Fun fact: emperor Julian received an embassy from a Pandya king about 361 CE. Edited June 13, 2022 by JayAg47 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 Well, if you remember this coin of mine you knew it was coming... Acquired in trade decades ago from CNG... for a rather worn Caligula denarius! 😲 No regrets! (Wish I also had an Antioch beauty like @Curtisimo though!) 20 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 I have only one Julian the Apostate coin, but I wouldn't change it. It's the double maiorina with the bull from Heraclea. I find this design emblematic for the ruler. But the coin is exceptionally ugly. When seeing the picture, I couldn't stop wondering if it's a bad case of tooling, a strange pic, a barbaric imitation or anything similar. Julian II AD 360-363. Heraclea Double Maiorina Æ 28 mm, 7,71 g RIC VIII Heraclea 104 Obv: D N FL CL IVLI-ANVS P F AVG, bust of Julian, pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed, right / SECVRITAS REI PVB, Bull, standing right, head facing; above, two stars. Mintmark •HER(A on •)CL•A In my opinion, a very bad day for the engraver. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 His Lugdunum bronzes are quite tough to obtain Obv:– DN FL CL IVLI-ANVS PF AVG, helmeted and cuirassed bust left holding spear and shield Rev:– VOT X MVLT XX, within wreath Minted in Lugdunum (//PLVGD), Spring A.D. 360- A.D. 363 Reference:– RIC VIII Lugdunum 239 (S) 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientOne Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 What is going on with the reverse of this Julian II AE4? Sure looks like a horned helmet. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted June 13, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, AncientOne said: What is going on with the reverse of this Julian II AE4? Sure looks like a horned helmet. A viking going bowling! 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Steve Posted June 13, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Wow, there are several amazing coins in this thread already ... here are a couple of my humble ol' Julian-II examples (enjoy) Julian II AE3 (below) (Rome mint) Date: 361-363 AD Diameter: 19.8 mm Weight: 3.1 grams Obverse: D N FL CL IVLIANVS P F AVG - Helmeted, diademed, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield Reverse: VOT/X/MVLT/XX within wreath. VRB ROM B in ex. References: RIC 329 Ex-stevex6 JULIAN II AE1 - Double Maiorina - (below) A.D. 362 – 363 Arelate mint, 1st Office Diameter: 26 mm Weight: 9.2 grams Obverse: DN FL CL IVLIANVS PF AVG. Pearl diademed, draped and cuirassed bust at right Reverse: SECVRITAS REIPVB. Bull standing right, 2 stars above, wreath at end of legend. PCON in exergue Reference: Originally stated as being an RIC VIII 316 However => Doug Smith states => “You should continue to be happy to have that coin which is not bad as just a generic Julian bull but is really special as an R3 that seems actually to deserve that rating. RIC 313 (VIII Arles) variations” Other: full details in both sides … precious black patina ... scarce in this condition … better in hand Ex-stevex6 ... very cool patina, right? (sweet) Edited June 13, 2022 by Steve 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 Gee, Curtis, Sev and Al, I'm really jealous of your stunning examples Q 15 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 JULIAN II the APOSTATE RI Julian II 360-363 CE Fallen Horseman AE3 RI Julian II CE 360-363 AE1 maiorina Diademed R - SECVRITAS REIPVB 2 stars Apis Bull stg R ANT-Gamma 2 palms ANTIOCH RIC 217 LRBC 2641 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 @SteveNice. I have just gifted an VRB ROM coin to a friend called Julian who has researched Julian the Apostate but had thought that owning a physical coin was not possible. Here is a sharp Sirmium of the same type And a Lugdunum reduced siliqua from the East Harptree Hoard. Heavily toned. 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 Nice examples all! Very impressive. Here's a lowly one but it's the bull and eagle type. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restitutor Posted June 13, 2022 · Administrator Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, AncientOne said: What is going on with the reverse of this Julian II AE4? Sure looks like a horned helmet. Maybe Julian was a secret fan of Elagabalus 😜 Here's my Julian, received with another coin as a gift from my better half on Xmas. They're the first coins I ever had, and it kicked off my coin collecting addiction! 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 A couple of Fallen horseman Antioch - Alexandria 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 Like Curtisimo, I have one from the Harptree Hoard. Julian II Siliqua, 361-363 Lugdunum. Silver, 17mm, 1.90g. Pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right; FL CL IVLIA-NVS P P AVG. VOTIS / V / MVLTIS / X in laurel wreath; PLVG in exergue (RIC VIII 227-8). From the Harptree (Somerset) Hoard 1887. 9 hours ago, ambr0zie said: But the coin is exceptionally ugly. When seeing the picture, I couldn't stop wondering if it's a bad case of tooling, a strange pic, a barbaric imitation or anything similar. In my opinion, a very bad day for the engraver. I have a similarly ugly one, but this is a barbaric imitation. Julian II Barbaric Siliqua, 361-363 Imitation of Arles. Silver, 16mm, 1.63g. Pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust to right; D N FL CL IVLIA-NVS P F AVG. VOT X MVLT XX written in four lines within wreath, dot in medallion at top; CONS(?) in exergue (cf RIC VIII, 312). From the West Norfolk Hoard 2018. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted June 13, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Certainly one of the most interesting emperors! I have four of his coins, and wish I had more: Julian II, AE Double Maiorina, 361-363 AD, Sirmium [Sremska Mitrovica, Serbia] Mint, 2nd Officina. Obv. Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right, FL CL IVLI-ANVS PF AVG / Bull standing right, two stars above, SECVRITAS REIPVB; in exergue: mintmark star-BSIRM-palm branch. RIC VIII Sirmium 107B (p. 392), Sear RCV V 19152 (ill.), Cohen 38. 28 mm., 8.48 g. Purchased from Frank S. Robinson. Julian II (nephew of Constantine I), AR Siliqua. 360-361 A.D, Arles [Constantina/Arelatum] Mint, 1st Officina. Obv. Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right, DN IVLIAN-VS P F AVG / Rev. VOTIS/V/MVLTIS/X in four lines within wreath. In exergue: PCON [PRIMA CONSTANTINA = First officina in Arles]. RIC VIII Arles 295, RSC V 16, Sear RCV V 19132. 17 mm., 2.2 g. Julian II (nephew of Constantine I), AR reduced Siliqua*, AD 362-363, Antioch Mint. Obv. Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right, bearded, FL CL IVLIA-NVS PF AVG / Rev. VOT X MVLT XX in four lines within wreath; in exergue, ANT [Antioch]. 2.17 g., 19.33 x 18.40 mm., 6 h. RIC VIII 213 (p. 531), RSC V 147a, Sear RCV V 19128 (p. 279), Ghey 22 (this coin) [Ghey, E., “Vale of Pewsey, Wiltshire,” unpublished catalogue held by British Museum]. Purchased 17 May 2022 from Noonans (f/k/a Dix Noonan Webb) Auction, “The Vale of Pewsey Hoard of Late Roman Silver Coins,” Lot 11; ex Vale of Pewsey Hoard, discovered in Wiltshire 12-13 Sep. 2020, Portable Antiquities Scheme Hoard ID BM-7D34D9 (see https://finds.org.uk/database/hoards/record/id/3305). (Footnotes omitted.) Julian II, AE Centenionalis, 361-363 AD, Sirmium [Sremska Mitrovica, Serbia] Mint, 2nd Officina. Obv. Pearl-diademed, helmeted and cuirassed bust left, spear in right hand, shield in left, D N FL CL IVLIANVS P F AVG / Rev. VOT/X/MVLT/XX in four lines within wreath. In exergue: BSIRM [BETA SIRMIUM = Second officina in Sirmium] RIC VIII Sirmium 108, Cohen VIII 151, Sear RCV V 19172. 20.3 mm, 3.393 g. Purchased from Forvm Ancient Coins. Judging from my two examples as well as @Al Kowsky's and @maridvnvm's, the style of Julian's coins from Sirmium was quite distinctive, especially the way his beard looks. Edited June 13, 2022 by DonnaML 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Qcumbor said: Gee, Curtis, Sev and Al, I'm really jealous of your stunning examples Q Q, Wonderful patina on that one 😉. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 16 hours ago, Curtisimo said: I’ll have to give the article a read. Thanks RC. One of my favorite Late Roman coins is my Julian II bull from Antioch. One of the only coins I know that was actually mentioned in the writings of the emperor himself. Roman Empire Julian II (AD 360-363) AE1, Antioch mint, struck ca. AD 361-363 Dia.: 28 mm Wt.: 8.7 g Obv.: D N FL CL IVLI-ANVS P F AVG: Diademed, cuirassed bust right. Rev.: SECVRITAS REI PVB; Bull, head facing, standing right. Two starts above Ref.: RIC VIII 216, pg 532 Ex Frank S. Robinson Collection, Purchased from David Micheals (Palladium) in the 1990s, ex FSR Auction 107 lot 389 (Jan. 2019), ex FSR Jan. 2010 sale. Not to be outdone my oldest provenance is a Julian II from the Harptree Hoard found in 1887. Roman Empire Julian II, AD 360-363 AR Siliqua, Lugdunum mint, struck ca. AD 360-361 Wt.: 2.23 g Dia.: 18 mm Obv.: FL CL IVLIA NVS P P AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right Rev.: VICTORIA DD NN AVG, Victory advancing left, holding wreath and palm frond Ref.: LVG. RIC VIII 212; Lyon 259; RSC 58†c, IRBCH 1424 Ex Harptree Hoard (1887) Nice "rainbow toning" on that siliqua 😉. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted June 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Thanks for linking the Coinweek article, @Roman Collector. It's an interesting read. I'd love to have a siliqua of Julian, but so far I only have these two humble bronze pieces: Julian II, Roman Empire, AE1, 361–363 AD, Antioch mint. Obv: DN FL CL IVLIANVS PF AVG; diademed, draped, cuirassed bust of Julian II r. Rev: SECVRITAS REIPVB; bull standing r., two stars above; mintmark (branch) ANT (branch). 27.5mm, 8.54g. RIC VIII Antioch 216. Julian II, Roman Empire, AE3, 361–363 AD, Antioch mint. Obv: DN FL CL IVLIANVS PF AVG; bust of Julian II, helmeted, cuirassed, with shield and spear, l. Rev: VOT X MVLT XX; in wreath; in exergue, ANTB and branch. 20mm, 3.1g. Ref: RIC VIII Antioch 219 B. Edited June 13, 2022 by Ursus 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 13 hours ago, ambr0zie said: I have only one Julian the Apostate coin, but I wouldn't change it. It's the double maiorina with the bull from Heraclea. I find this design emblematic for the ruler. But the coin is exceptionally ugly. When seeing the picture, I couldn't stop wondering if it's a bad case of tooling, a strange pic, a barbaric imitation or anything similar. Julian II AD 360-363. Heraclea Double Maiorina Æ 28 mm, 7,71 g RIC VIII Heraclea 104 Obv: D N FL CL IVLI-ANVS P F AVG, bust of Julian, pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed, right / SECVRITAS REI PVB, Bull, standing right, head facing; above, two stars. Mintmark •HER(A on •)CL•A In my opinion, a very bad day for the engraver. Ozie, your top bronze sure looks barbarous 😉. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted June 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 13, 2022 It's the same coin, but first pic is from the auction house and second is mine, when I was still experimenting with backgrounds/light. I am not educated enough when it comes to LRBs barbarous imitations so I cannot confirm (although you probably gave a verdict, and for me this is a plus if the coin is a barbarous imitations). There is only 1 barbarous double maiorina on acsearch This Siscia has something in common with my Heraclea. Letters are well executed on both coins. Portraits are both horrible but on the acsearch coin this might be because of the wear. My bull seems pretty official, the Siscia bull has exaggerated hooves and as a bonus, it's a cyclops/bull hybrid. Can't tell. What I can tell is that for 14 EUR, my coin was an excellent addition as I'm cheap and stingy and I just don't want to pay more than 30 EUR for a coin out of my normal collecting areas. Half of the price was just perfect. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Julius Posted June 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/12/2022 at 11:23 PM, Ryro said: Hey @Ryro, what’s that second coin? Is that a rare reverse type I see or a Spes coin? Edit: the legend was playing tricks on my eyes… on closer inspection, it does look like a Spes Rep coin… so never mind! Edited June 14, 2022 by Orange Julius Makin werds is harde 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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