zadie Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Posted December 15, 2022 As someone who takes a keen interest in provincials from the Republican era, fleet coins have been on my radar for a good while. However seeing as they're very rare and often wallet-breakingly expensive, I haven't been able to add one to the collection. When I came across this example in a group lot (!) I knew I had to change that. It's not the prettiest but damn if I'm not excited to start a fleet coinage set. Hopeful for new acquisitions in 2023! Downgrade.mp4 Fleet Coinage. Mark Antony and Octavia. Æ Dupondius. Uncertain mint in Achaea circa 38-37 BC. M. Oppius Capito, Propraetor and Praefectus Classis. Confronting busts of Antony and Octavia, [M · ANT · IMP · TER · COS · DES · ITER · ET · TER · III · VIR · R · P · C] / Two galleys below caps of the dioscuri, [M · OPPIVS · CAPITO · PRO · PR · PRAEF · CLASS · F · C] - B below. Amandry, Bronze II, 3C; RPC I, 1464. 15 1 1 Quote
Jay GT4 Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Posted December 15, 2022 Great addition! Congratulations! These are very rare. I came across one many years ago on ebay listed simply as an "ancient coin." I recognized it and immediately purchased it. I've since sold it but see my write up below. Marcus Antonius Fleet coinage (Light Series) M ANT IMP TERT COS DESIG ITER ET TERT III VIR RPC Conjoined heads of Marcus Antonius and Octavia right M OPPIVS CAPITO PRO PR PRAEF CLASS FC Galley under sail right Tarentum (?) summer 37 BC 4.13g Sear 1497, RPC 1470, CRI 296, Very rare in any condition The legendary Fleet coinage of Antony belongs to two series, heavy and light. The "light series" is thought to have been minted at a later date, possibly just after Antony returned from his conference with Octavian in 37 BC. The meeting saw the Pact of Tarentum. Part of that agreement saw Antony loan 120 ships to Octavian along with his Admirals Altratinus and Capito. A fine insight into Antony's administrative abilities can be seen by his fleet coinage that came in sestertius, dupondius and as denominations. Of note is that Antony's "Fleet Coinage" shows the appearance of the first sestertius in bronze rather than silver. When Octavian (Augustus) reformed the coinage 20 years later he maintained the exact same denominations; sestertius, dupondius and as. After Actium Octavian also kept many if not all of the client Kings in their positions and territories. A strong case for Antony's capabilities as an administrator. M. Oppius Capito occupied an important position in Antony's inner circle although little is known of him. Capito's coins are more abundant than those of his colleagues and only Capito's coins include the title "Praefectus classis" (Prefect of the fleet). Most of his coins are found in Greece and were probably minted in Piraeus, the harbor complex of Athens. Athens at this time was the home of Antony and Octavia so it is likely that Capito's mint would be located here. 16 Quote
Limes Posted December 16, 2022 · Supporter Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/15/2022 at 10:27 PM, zadie said: As someone who takes a keen interest in provincials from the Republican era, fleet coins have been on my radar for a good while. However seeing as they're very rare and often wallet-breakingly expensive, I haven't been able to add one to the collection. When I came across this example in a group lot (!) I knew I had to change that. It's not the prettiest but damn if I'm not excited to start a fleet coinage set. Hopeful for new acquisitions in 2023! Downgrade.mp4 22.35 MB · 0 downloads Fleet Coinage. Mark Antony and Octavia. Æ Dupondius. Uncertain mint in Achaea circa 38-37 BC. M. Oppius Capito, Propraetor and Praefectus Classis. Confronting busts of Antony and Octavia, [M · ANT · IMP · TER · COS · DES · ITER · ET · TER · III · VIR · R · P · C] / Two galleys below caps of the dioscuri, [M · OPPIVS · CAPITO · PRO · PR · PRAEF · CLASS · F · C] - B below. Amandry, Bronze II, 3C; RPC I, 1464. Excellent acquisition, despite the quality! I would love to add a specimen from the fleet coinage of any quality to my collection one day.... 2 1 Quote
Furryfrog02 Posted December 16, 2022 · Supporter Posted December 16, 2022 These are both really cool! 1 Quote
zadie Posted December 17, 2022 · Member Author Posted December 17, 2022 I have made an attempt of finding my dies in Amandry's Le monnayage en bronze de Bibulus, Atratinus et Capito. It's proven difficult considering the amount of wear on my coin and the lack of all legends besides the "B" below the galley. I think I've found a match to my reverse die, there are still however some discrepancies between the two (namely the caps of the dioscuri) that are hard to account for. Lighting could definitely be a factor but I hesitate to attribute them as such becuase of my obvious confirmation bias. Any input on this? My coin Amandry, Bronze II, 3C (D3/R7, this coin) Comparison between both reverse dies with better lighting 7 1 Quote
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted December 17, 2022 · Member Posted December 17, 2022 I dont think the coins are really in a state to verify a die match…as often is the case with late Byzantine Quote
akeady Posted December 17, 2022 · Supporter Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) I've got a couple of Fleet coinage coins. This light series one is of the same type as Jay GT4's above of M. Oppius Capito: And this tressis with a MAP punch (HCRI 286, BMCRR East 164, Sydenham 1268): ATB, Aidan. Edited December 17, 2022 by akeady 8 Quote
zadie Posted December 17, 2022 · Member Author Posted December 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheTrachyEnjoyer said: I dont think the coins are really in a state to verify a die match…as often is the case with late Byzantine I certainly think it's possible. The biggest issue isn't so much with the states of the coins themselves but rather the (quite horrid) photography employed on these old plates. Amandry routinely identifies die matches between coins that are of similar wear as mine: 3 Quote
zadie Posted December 17, 2022 · Member Author Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, akeady said: I've got a couple of Fleet coinage coins. This light series one is of the same type as Jay GT4's above of M. Oppius Capito: And this tressis with a MAP punch (HCRI 286, BMCRR East 164, Sydenham 1268): ATB, Aidan. No kidding! The Tressis is charming, I'm extremely jealous. The As is also great, good amount of the legends still legible Quote
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