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For years we've had the (bad) habit to call Gordian III's coinage, especially antoninianii "roaches", mainly I guess because they are so numerous and crawling everywhere. It's a bit unfair since we encounter coins made of good quality metal and some of the engraving is darn good.

Here are some of them from my collection at Colleconline. Please feel free to post your best examples too

Antoninianii

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Those are beauties! Im not afraid to admit that i own zero coins of Gordian as of yet. But i can see they are collectable. Many are available, affordable and of good quality. So i will get one too,one day... 

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Gordian III coins. Especially yours.

In my opinion, common rulers like him are interesting to collect as there is a large variety of coins to choose from, so the interesting reverses and/or the good condition coins are affordable. As a side note, I don't own a Galba coin yet. Provincial or Imperial. Of course, one of the reasons is the price for them, but I am often wondering if I am willing to pay 250 EUR on a modest denarius just to have Galba ticked, especially since the reverse would be most likely boring (this is one of the things I look after a new coin, perhaps it's just me). Instead, I prefer to buy 5 coins that are more common, but also more interesting.

Back to Gordian III - the denarius I like the most is this, also because of the reverse - I really like the way Hercules is depicted - ancient punk rocker?

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Gordian III AR Antoninianus. Rome, AD 241-243.
Obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG. Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust to right.
Rev: VIRTVTI AVGVSTI Hercules, naked, standing facing, head to right, resting one hand on hip and other on club set on rock; lion skin beside club.
RIC IV 95; RSC 404
3.27 gr. 23 mm

But my favorite Gordian III is this Hadrianopolis - probably my favorite provincial.

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Thrace. Hadrianopolis. Gordian III AD 238-244.
Bronze Æ
16 mm, 2,32 g
AYT K M ANT ΓOΡΔIANOC AV, laureate, draped, cuirassed bust right / AΔΡIANOΠOΛEITΩN, ostrich walking right
Varbanov 3833; RPC VII.2, — (unassigned; ID 67356); Jurukova, Hadrianopolis 676; Moushmov 2630A

 

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Nice coins Q! I only have one but I like it  

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Roman Empire
Gordian III (238-244)
AR Antoninianus, Rome mint
Dia.: 24.5 mm
Wt.: 3.89g
Obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG; Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. 
Rev: VIRTVTI AVGVSTI; The Farnese Hercules: statue of Hercules right, with apples of the Hesperides and lion skin, and leaning upon club. 
RIC 95.
Ex Michael Higley Collection with tag; Ex AMCC 1, lot 236 (Dec. 2018)

 

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There's actually a good reason why so many of Gordians (and Philips for that matter) survived. These were some of the very last silver coins of relatively good finesse that happened to circulate among the civilian population. The monetary system collapsed under Decius, in large part because the imperial treasury including mobile mint accompanied the army and were captured by the Goths after the disaster at Abritus, while soldiers paid with coins produced so far perished or were enslaved. Facing with inflow of debased coinage, people were hoarding Gordians at massive scale. This had a double effect of producing a massive number of surviving coins and further worsening the financial situation of the state.

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38 minutes ago, Romancollector said:

Nice antoninianii!

I do not have an antoninianus of Gordian, but I do have a sestertius of him as Caesar and an aureus. Interestingly, these coins were struck one year apart. There is a clear evolution to a more mature portrait. 

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Those are some really impressive coins! You're definitely excused from not owning an ant. 😆 With that Aureus not only today, but back then you could buy quite a few Antoniniani.

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I really like coins of Gordian III. This is probably my favorite Gordian as it’s an early portrait that has some similarities to Balbinus portraits.

Same coin pictured in both photos. Photo 1: quick phone photo on my desk. Photo 2: using my wife’s ring light.

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Here you go, @Mat  I enjoy a Gordy ant every now and then.

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Gordian III, AD 238-244.
Roman AR antoninianus, 3.62 g, 21.6 mm, 5 h.
Rome mint, 2nd officina, 3rd emission, AD 241-243.
Obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
Rev: IOVI STATORI, Jupiter standing facing, head right, holding scepter and thunderbolt.
Refs: RIC 84; Cohen 109; RCV 8615; Hunter 51.

But I'm an even bigger fan of Gordian sestertii.

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Gordian III, AD 238-244.
Roman Æ sestertius, 24.30 gm, 28.7 mm, 12 h.
Rome, AD 240.
Obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
Rev: LIBERTAS AVG SC, Libertas standing left, holding pileus and scepter.
Refs: RIC 318a; Cohen 153; RCV 8717; Hunter 147.
 
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Gordian III, AD 238-244.
Roman Æ Sestertius, 20.01 gm, 28.2 mm, 11 h.
Rome, 5th officina. 9th emission, AD 241.
Obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
Rev: PM TRP IIII COS II PP SC, Apollo seated left, holding laurel branch and resting left arm on lyre.
Refs: RIC 302; Cohen 252; Sear --; Banti 72.
 
And I'm particularly fond of Gordy III provincials!
 
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Gordian III, AD 238-244.
Roman provincial Æ 27.1 mm, 12.33 g, 9 h.
Moesia Inferior, Nicopolis ad Istrum, Sabinius Modestus, legatus consularis, AD 241-244.
Obv: ΑVΤ Κ Μ ΓΟΡΔΙΑΝΟC ΑVΓ, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
Rev: ΥΠ CΑΒ ΜΟΔЄCΤΟV ΝΙΚΟΠΟΛЄΙΤ | ΩN ΠPOC ICTP, Nimbate figure of snake-god Glycon, coiled in two coils, rising up, head right.
Refs: RPC VII.2, 1307; Hristova/Hoeft/Jekov (2018) 8.36.22.4 (same dies); Varbanov 4146; Moushmov 1488; Mionnet Suppl. 2, 708; AMNG 2104 var.; BMC --; Lindgren --; Sear --.
 
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Gordian III, AD 238-244.
Roman provincial Æ Pentassarion, 13.30 g, 27.1 mm, 7 h.
Thrace, Anchialus, AD 238-244.
Obv: ΑVΤ Κ Μ ΑΝΤ ΓΟΡΔΙΑΝΟC ΑVΓ, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
Rev: ΟVΛΠΙΑΝWΝ ΑΓΧΙΑΛΕWΝ, Nude athlete standing facing, head right, holding palm branch and wreath.
Refs: AMNG II, 632.3, p. 276; Mionnet Suppl. 2, 136; RPC VII.2, — (unassigned; ID 48982); Corpus Nummorum Thracorum cn.anchialus.4915.
 
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Nice Gordies - I was hoping somebody would bring him up in the new Forum.  Recently this countermark came my way, a big sestertius-sized Provincial.  My photos came out kind of odd when it comes to the color, so I'm running both of them - it is more black than green in hand:

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Greener version:

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Gordian III  Æ 30 Irenopolis-Neronias, Cilicia CY 192 (242/243 A.D.) ΑΥΚ ΜΑΝΤω ΓΟΡΔΙΑΝΟϹradiate, draped & cuirassed bust right / ƐΙΡΗΝΟΠΟΛƐΙΤωΝ, ЄT BЧP in exergue, Hygieia standing right feeding serpent, facing Serapis standing left.  (10.02 grams / 30 mm) eBay Feb. 2022 

Host Coin Attribution: RPC VII.2 unassigned 2075; SNG Levante 1622; SNG von Aulock 5596; SNG France 2270. Countermark:  Obverse:  Monogram in 6 mm circle (EIPH = Eirenopolis),  Howgego 616.

Close-up of the rather confusing countermark:

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I think I only have one 'roach'; a present from dad some 25 years ago.

Question: Something I remember vividly about digging around HJB's pick bins 25 years ago; a plethora of rusty Gordian Ants.  I don't think they would have been ancients counterfeits; I remember them being silver with some rust.

My favorite Gordians are all AE.  They've been posted before, but of the photographed ones; purchased for the patinas.

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Sestertius.

 

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As.

 

As-found denarius. 

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I don't have many Gordian III coins, but will post 3 bronze coins from my collection 😊. There are some beauties posted on this thread 🤩.

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Gordian III, AD 238-244 (struck at Rome Mint AD 239). AE Sestertius: 20.63 gm, 31 mm, 11 h. Reverse: Liberalitas holding cornucopia & abacus. RIC IV.III 269a.

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18 minutes ago, Al Kowsky said:

I don't have many Gordian III coins, but will post 3 bronze coins from my collection 😊. There are some beauties posted on this thread 🤩.

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Gordian III, AD 238-244 (struck at Rome Mint AD 239). AE Sestertius: 20.63 gm, 31 mm, 11 h. Reverse: Liberalitas holding cornucopia & abacus. RIC IV.III 269a.

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Welcome, @Al Kowsky. Good to see you here.

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I'm sure everyone secretly loves their Gordies!  I know I do! 😍 And I'd say "roach" is actually a term of endearment!

An amazing number of Farnese Hercules reverses in this thread... might as well add mine, it's probably my favourite roach:

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Here's an Antioch roach from before the fateful invasion of the Parthian empire:

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Look at little Gordie all kitted up with his cuirass! 😄

I like the Gordie denarii, as the last substantial issue of this denomination:

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Nice sestertii, @Roman Collector!  Here's my only one:

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And now for some wackier stuff.  A fourrée and a fourrée core:

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Plus a wild imitation denarius.  Diana is not looking too sexy on this one:

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7 hours ago, Roman Collector said:

Here you go, @Mat  I enjoy a Gordy ant every now and then.

 

LOL!  @Mat was the one who came up with "cockroach" as the term of endearment for our Gordies.  I have a few here for Mat as well. 😁

 

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GORDIAN III
AR Antoninianus. 4.01g, 23.8mm.
Antioch mint, 2nd series, 2nd issue, AD 242-244.
Bland, Gordian III 82; RIC IV 216; RSC 319a; McAlee p. 316, fig. 28A (this coin illustrated).
O: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind.
R: SAECVLI FELICITAS, Gordian standing right, holding transverse spear and globe.
Ex Richard McAlee Collection

 

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GORDIAN III
AR Antoninianus. 4.56g, 24.5mm.
Rome mint, AD 240. RIC 56; Cohen 386.
O: IMP CAES GORDIANVS PIVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
R: VIRTVS AVG, Mars standing facing, head left, holding branch and inverted spear; at his feet, grounded shield.
Ex St. Jean d'Ardieres Hoard, Rhône, France, 1995 (Guillaumont-Richard, 9 April 2016, part of lot 180)

 

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GORDIAN III
AR Antoninianus. 3.95g, 22.6mm.
Rome mint, AD 243-244. RIC 147.
O: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
R: MARTEM PROPVGNATOREM, Mars, helmeted, in military attire, hastening right, holding transverse spear in right hand and shield in left hand.

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I have never heard of a denarius of Gordian III considered a roach, I find it a bit amusing.
 

I do recall the first time I saw one, it was probably the second Roman coin I seriously looked at. I was amazed at the condition of it, and how bulbous his head was and pointy his nose on this particular coin, must have been a trainee engraver. I actually appreciated how the Roman’s displayed how they were 

Here is my Gordian III (unfortunately not the one I mentioned above)

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I’ll also include his Gramps and Dad for completeness

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14 hours ago, Romancollector said:

Nice antoninianii!

I do not have an antoninianus of Gordian, but I do have a sestertius of him as Caesar and an aureus. Interestingly, these coins were struck one year apart. There is a clear evolution to a more mature portrait. 

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Exceptional coins, congrats. I would love a GIII as Caesar and an aureus too. Life is too short I guess !

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5 hours ago, Severus Alexander said:

I like the Gordie denarii, as the last substantial issue of this denomination:

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I like them too @Severus Alexander and got a fabulous example from the well known AMCC venue (so sorry @Mat doesn't like GIII pile-on threads, I made that one for you buddy 🙂  :

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A few other denarii of mine

 

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5 hours ago, Severus Alexander said:

An amazing number of Farnese Hercules reverses in this thread...

I'm sure an amazing number were struck, including with this reverse die, which struck a thousand more flans than it should have. It's a little worn.

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