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Fellow Roman Republican enthusiasts,

I came across this coin being sold on EBay as a forgery and thought it worth posting here. I would likely have accepted this as genuine based on the style and patina. How many of you can honestly say that you would have picked this out as a forgery? Caveat emptor...

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For about 1 1/2 year, at least LANZ advertise them as « forgeries ». He sold dozens of them every month, and guess where they will end up at last ?

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/m.html?_ssn=numismatiklanz&_osacat=0&_trkparms=folent%3Anumismatiklanz|folenttp%3A1&_odkw=&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313&_nkw=forgery&_sacat=0
 

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At first glance, I would have been fooled. I don't know, if I were to study the photos more carefully, if I would have been fooled. Maybe. The coin has a lot of dirt or toning, or perhaps fake toning, which could be hiding signs of being a fake. Perhaps the edge has a casting seam. Or, perhaps the edge has file marks, which are designed to erase a casting seam. But, one can't usually see much of the edge, on photos of the obverse and reverse.

For myself, I would prefer, that people not sell fakes, even if they advertise the coin as being fake (for example Lanz, and  Frank Robinson). Someone may buy the fake, and then try to sell it, pretending that it's authentic. In my opinion, there are enough fakes out there, without someone trying to sell more of them.

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6 hours ago, sand said:

For myself, I would prefer, that people not sell fakes, even if they advertise the coin as being fake (for example Lanz, and  Frank Robinson). Someone may buy the fake, and then try to sell it, pretending that it's authentic. In my opinion, there are enough fakes out there, without someone trying to sell more of them.

+100. I think any serious house/dealer should stop this nonsense. If one sells a forgery (described as "for study" or whatever) who stops the new owner to sell it as authentic? Just an example from a recent auction - I am considering if I want to buy from them in the future or not.

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I don't see a valid reason for manufacturing and selling these - except deceive. If this type of object is needed (although one can study a type based on quality pictures of genuine examples) I think these should be CLEARLY MARKED.

The OP coin -  I would have considered it perfectly genuine (and this indicates I have a problem with these).

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10 hours ago, Ocatarinetabellatchitchix said:

For about 1 1/2 year, at least LANZ advertise them as « forgeries ». He sold dozens of them every month, and guess where they will end up at last ?

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/m.html?_ssn=numismatiklanz&_osacat=0&_trkparms=folent%3Anumismatiklanz|folenttp%3A1&_odkw=&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313&_nkw=forgery&_sacat=0
 

That's a shocking amount of forgeries 😮! I wonder how man of those coins are now sitting in collections & considered genuine 🤔?

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Agree with all replies. I'm not comfortable with dealers or anyone else for that matter selling fakes... because they invariably end up being sold by someone unscrupulous down the road as the "real thing" and wind up in people's collections. If I see one fake in a seller's lot, I tend to avoid that seller completely... who's not to say that the other coins are fakes as well? I cringe when I see some of the cruder fakes being sold on EBay actually getting offers... for each one of those, someone is getting ripped off, sometimes to the tune of several hundred dollars. I do wish that EBay would take a stronger line on fakes - they used to, and I spent a lot of time in the past reporting fakes and actually getting communication in return from EBay, but currently it's more than a little overwhelming and I think that EBay has given up on this approach as well. Whether EBay sells a real or fake coin, they still make money in the end, and I guess that's all that matters to them. It just makes hunting for that bargain that much riskier these days, although I still believe that with some scrutiny, good deals on genuine coins are still around to be had.  

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