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Ha! Now I understand! I did wonder whether it was a contemporary copy because SHE has a bulbous nose! And the beading on the obverse is strange and doesn't meet up!

My 2 Serpents! A well worn die on the obverse  but a great reverse with a fab owl amphora combo

Both coins are T 13  but as you can see have the 2 types of obverse

@Deinomenid Sent me a link to a NewStyle that he liked   https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=7223&lot=107 This NewStyle called 2 serpents is quite nice. 2 Serpents have 2 monograms probably of Phanias and Moschion whose order is reversed on some of the coins. They are thought to be brothers. Maybe T81 more than T 80 Obverses..can someone have a look?

How about this?  A nice large flanned early NewStyle offered by CNG . Obverse quite clearly T14, the reverse probably new. The interesting thing is that in this the 4th issue of NewStyles, there are 2 types, one without and one with Cornucopia. This may or may not indicate a 2 year issue but my examples of both types have a shared obverse. Mysterious eh!  Who thinks NewStyles are boring! 

The Athenian NewStyle was in Good order and a popular one with anchor and star. The price seemed normal nowadays  ..expect to see it imprisoned soon!

Eupator's birth was supposedly hailed by a comet  and the start of his reign too!  Maybe the 2  crescents on the Pontic star between 2 crescents ONLY on Athenian coins  celebrates these occurrences. The "Comet"  AE's of Mithridate's in a paper by Ramsey, has its critics who say the "comet"  on these poorly struck coins depict a Taenia.  Lucky old Tigranes also  had a lucky star, this lucky star worked  and he rode his luck with Mithradates, and the Romans  and died in his own bed!

The "tetradrachms" are 1gm below reduced Attic weight tetradrachms!  Maybe Eupator nicked all the silver. Augustus  had a coin that had a river god design  .  Possession from the latest batch is a case of possession is 9 points of the law!

There is a rare type with a comet on the tiara headgear.

https://www.academia.edu/67107486/Associating_the_image_with_the_myth_on_ancient_Cretan_coins_Three_case_studies

Does anybody actually know anything about this time c 90 BC to 50 BC in Crete.   The silver coins before then mainly appear to be overstrikes...why?

During the Mithradatic wars  seven Cretan cities copied the New style and it was long thought that Marcus Lucullus had called in at Crete to collect ships for Sulla and whilst he was there supplied silver for this minting of New Style copies.

It is now thought that the Cretan aristocracy from the beginning supported Mithradates not Rome-as evidenced by a differing reading of the sources and the existence of seemingly Star and Crescent AE coinage from the city of Kydonia.

Simply these Cretan New Styles celebrate anti-Roman Athens and Athens must have been seen as a leading, if though symbolic, light in the wider Greek koinon.

 It is the Mithradatic wars that caused the demise of the Greek world , to be subsumed into the Roman provincial world. And yet so little is written on this pivotal moment. The scholars still squabble over the Roman -Cretan relations when it obvious the Romans were taking revenge under Metellus! 

Sadly none of the Cretan pseudo- NewStyles are mine. And I appear to be the only person interested!

I could also give a honorable mention to the great king of Armenia Tigranes ll whose recent find of tetradrachms is continuing. I wish it was NewStyles!

I love Roma!  Some nice coins once again. Of course, no NewStyles...I think I've got them all!

But the thing I want to mention is the coins from the Troas. A nice amount of tetradrachms from Abydos  and Tenedos. I have noticed these coins have appeared in auctions recently and together.  I wonder if there has been a find of a mixed hoard  and it's been leaking onto the market.

The Mithradatic wars are, I think, the reason for these issues........good ol' Mithradates.

Also a few Antiochia on the Meander from Karia too.

Is the reverse a reference to snooker?  So obviously the obverse is  a arm stretching into a after snooker shot pose.

And now "The crocodile" gobbles up what is left after Grace Mugabe went on a shopping spree!

Now there must be ancients that have precedents for those features.  

And he funded scholarships...The Rhodes Scholarships.  I believe Mr Bill Clinton was such a scholar.

Tigranocerta, specially commissioned and built by Tigranes ll  the great, demolished brick by brick by Lucius Lucullus. Maybe only lasted 8 years or so!. Lucullus  did such a good job that it's not been located to this day!

For NewStyles in the last 12 years , yes very much.  Hoards have disappeared. 

Greece has it and possession is 9 parts of the law!

As I stated, it seems the BM is being mined by the curators and the silence is, as usual, deafening. [Removed by Admin as off-topic]

Yep, the RN used too much gunpowder!

It seems these cultural laws are flexible...a bit of AN-TEAK  WON TOO  going  on.( Geddit)  What a load of nonsense. Maybe it's from the BM still secret stocks for bonuses to top staff. It's funny how that has gone quiet...I'll guess we'll get a report in a millennia or two, so don't be too hard on the Greeks.

What a strange collection of loot  and so many perps got away! I wonder if it's genuine? Maybe it's all waiting for the Baron to give it provenance?

It all seems so very strange...who would buy it without provenance anyway, it would be unsaleable ?  Maybe it's been looted from a museum in the black sea area? Too many questions too many holes.

I bet the other coins were LRB's!

Athens, Athena Parthenos, Artemis  and a guest appearance by Demeter, (big long torch) hunting for Persephone in Hades.

Looks like the BM coin was acquired in 1987, so in line with UNESCO 1970, the BM should sell it off to atone for their buying dubious coins without provenance.  

Maybe it's ended up in the curators pocket.....that's all gone quiet now!

https://www.e-periodica.ch/cntmng?pid=snr-003:1991:70::141

But you can get obverse and reverse matches. If an obverse can satisfy 20K strikes and is mated with 10K reverses AND Philoterii are not the most heavily coined series, then any hoard  is likely to have one or two duplicates! Philoterii were not really international coins despite being of Attic weight! They, I believe stayed in Attalid territory as the Attic weight counterweight to the cistophorus.

I wish someone would write an appreciation of the Philoterii and it's place in the Attalid economy. 

Where and what type of coin hoards are they found in......you know that type of thing. 

Some coin types don't get the coverage they deserve.

The force of the hammer blow on the reverse die causes less damage on the obverse die than the reverse die . It is thought that obverses can last twice as long as reverse dies before they become horrible. Coin production estimated figures by deCallatay surmise that 20,000 obverses can produce only 10,000 reverses before things get awful.  That's the idea, but it is likely that differing reverses can be mated with one obverse type either by mistake, carelessness or design. Thus mules are common, but useful.

From this a sort of understanding, a description of mint activity can be hypothesised.

In the New Style coinage of Athens a catalogue of obverses married to reverses has been made.

NewStyles, generally have distinctive reverses where OFTEN symbols exist, amphora lst control letters,  2nd control letters and differing 3rd magistrates can be used to construct a striking chronology. Now sometimes obverses can be struck with a completely different reverse type than usual. This can produce another chronological ordering  This, I believe, Westermark did with the Philoterii above. I've never seen it...anyone got an English copy?

It does not preclude modern forgeries though!

Where Westermark is mentioned it can be seen that the coins, 1 & 2 have differing cataloguing but 3 looks like 1!