NewStyleKing

Under/overstrikes have figured large in the contentious but bloody interesting story of the chronology of the Athens NewStyles, mainly by leading it astray! There once was a Aesillas overstruck on a NewStyle of Dhmeas/Kallikratidhs issue featuring Isis as symbol. Now Margaret Thompson did not believe in NewStyles issued after L.Cornelius "Lucky" Sulla inspected the walls around Piraeus and Athens and found they breached planning permissions and knocked them down! 

The Aesillas coinage was thought by her to be minted between 93 and 88 BC (NSSCA) and the Isiac NewStyle coin 107/6 BC which gives time for the overstriking to occur and supports her contention that post Sullan NewStyles didn't happen. Here was proof...incontrovertible!

But many thought that NewStyles did re-occur after Sulla knocked on the door in March 87 BC and the NewStyle coin should be dated to c 75BC.  Whilst nothing conclusive one way or the other it seemed  there was something not quite right.

Eventually Bauslaugh examined the Aesillas coinage and concluded it was an intermittent coinage minted about 95 BC to c 70/65 BC which nowadays shows that the modern general dating of the NewStyles should be the basis for dating the mixed hoards they appear in......

Recently, The early catalogue NewStyles in the Gazintep Hoard and Demetrios l Hoard satisfy the Seleucid dated coins of the Low Chronology and according to Meadows the internal NewStyle chronology is satisfied.

Meanwhile, a Thrakon type, similar to Thasos was overstruck on a NewStyle of symbol Griffin which on the Low chronology is 88/7 BC. DeCallatay says this re-dates the Thrakon series some 20 years earlier than thought and has nothing to do with the 1st Mithradatic war.

OVERSTRUCK GREEK COINS by DAVID MacDONALD forward by Harlan J Berk, Whitman Publishing 2009

Stacks, particularly caught my eye.  Corinth and Akrania....spelt wrongly in the title!  But a quick search on biddr with pegasi shows how many are for sale!

There are shed loads of Pegasus Arkarnia and Corinth mint coins on the market. Where would the hoards come from?  Local to Corinth and their colonies? I take it that the coins are found together and that the coins were free to circulate between the various symmatic colonies. I guess the hoard is from continental Greece? Anyone know anything and can add detail..  Just interesting

Look at the number of Danubian Celts stuff, and Thasos , Maronia stuff...all indicative of Balkans hoards. Lack of NewStyles worrying, but made up with Macedonia first meris.

Aspendos was a great producer of coins.

As anyone clocked the huge amount of seemingly hoard(s) contents for sale on Leu?  Lots of Danubian stuff, ATG's tetradrachms, countermarked Aspendos wrestlers, Aspendos Nike tetradrachms, more Tigranes II tets, but NewStyles barely represented. Large lots of "from before 2005 and "from a European collection", but what kind of collection it could be defeats me...more like the collection of an unrestrained Kleptomaniac!

Not much 5* stuff though which disappoints

I guess Switzerland is not too hot on provenance issues!

Anything take anyone's fancy?

I had a long deep think about it.

Just shows you how the very common mass classic owl is very popular. It's a good job hoards are found regularly to satisfy the apparent insatiable thirst! I wonder what else was burgled? 

From 2021

Hi,

Some 30 months ago I enquired about the Athens New Styles in a hoard displayed in the Archaeological Museum Villa Frigerj Chieti.

I was told that a scholar was already working on the hoard, but my researches have shown that no such publication has occurred or is likely to occur since the main portion of the hoard is easy to identify, log and publish using a minimum of resources openly available.

I would be able to do this in a matter of weeks and now I am retired will do this if you supply the photographs of both sides of the Athenian New Styles and Sullan types I shall start right away. 

It is time for now for this to happen and at no cost to you just a little time.

Grazie

From 2018

Our offices want this procedure to be respected in order to have a record of all the images we gave to study/ to publish.
You should specify in your mail (or scanned letter) in english the theme of your study, the object of your request (you wish all the photos of all the amphora coins from this hoard?), and your aim (publication on a web site for free).

We will then provide, with an official answer, to upload the photos on a folder on google drive.

Valentina Belfiore

You get the picture........except you never will!

I have had contact several years ago but they played my for a fool, passed on to one person onto another with non functioning e-mail details. Various permissions needed etc, until you know they have no real interest! All it would take is someone with a camera, and voila and I'm only talking about the NewStyles! It's not rocket science...it's as difficult as they want to make it.

Same as with the British Museum and its thefts by a curator and covered up by senior management. If it wasn't for an antiquities dealer spotting stuff on e-bay we would never know.  The BM management ignored the dealers warnings and eventually did their own investigations !!!. You know what that means. Anyway the ex curator is keeping schtum and it seems the police cannot investigate it no more cos a lot of the stuff wasn't logged.registered and the top BM staff guy was an old Tory minister that got the job cos he was the right kind of guy and it would be embarrassing! 

Maybe we might hear of it again, maybe not....shush its a secret...reminds me of the Stonecutters episode of the Simpsons. No doubt it's sub judice which is stronger than the security of MI5/6!  

I will give it another go with the Italians!

Did a quick internet search of Campanella/Coins etc  and found nothing!

I echo Donna, I hope they have photographed and catalogued the individual coins and published them., Unlike the Museo Archaeolgica Chieti in Abruzzi where their portion of the Abruzzi Hoard IGCH 2056 still lies essentially unpublished after only 70 years. It can only be deliberate laziness or worse on their part. It was once exhibitioned by Campanella but the internet doesn't seem to work in Abruzzi and I cannot find any details, oh well!

The image is quite possibly from the exhibition and tantalisingly the object of my desires is , I think, just out of reach...bottom right. Will  I never know?

I think anyone who tackles AE's deserves a medal! Hence silver and large flans, not even hemidrachms or drachms!  But looking on Asia Minor coins I see even gold Mithradatic staters get the wrong mint!

I believe Mithradates didn't take Pergamon till 88 BC and was kicked out by Fimbria 85 BC, probably May time but a stater dated 223 = 74 BC  is said to be Pergamon mint!  That is impossible!  I see this a lot in Mithradatic coins, Pergamon this Pergamon that! He only just escaped capture by Fimbria in 85BC thanks to his pirate buddies. The other one in asia Minor coins year 4 is probably correct, but would be is last issue as king at Pergamon.

Collecting is a bit naff without researching. 

My journey, "from coin collecting to numismatist!" poorly written by me years ago on academia,edu. Sample below.

Collecting coins can be a drug but I am not an addictive personality: the soul-less activity of “yet another one” has an empty ring about it. The fact there was a brilliant book, “The New Style silver coinage of Athens”, Margaret Thompson, ANS 10 1961, that described a single series of many coin issues: add the large attractive spread flans with differing monograms, names and symbols naturally attracted me to the beautiful Athenian New Style tetradrachm.

 

Great helmet deco courtesy of Marcus Lucullus , treasurer c86/84 BC

It is obvious that an imprint was taken before it was photographed by the first auction. The forger is basically the person who consigned the cast coins to cng and Roma. I would not be surprised if it is the same person who consigned the original to the first auction. It's pretty easy to find out who this is.

Really? Do tell or investigate...who said coins are boring!

I wonder who bought the host coin..is he the forger? Provenance would certainly score here!  I wonder if there's a simple way of looking for previous examples taken from the likely host coin, cos if their aint, maybe we have a smoking crucible here!

Apellicon of Teos

Peripatetic philosopher

Book thief

Poor strategos

Mithradatic diplomat for Athens

picked the wrong side.

Ist magistrate on a NewStyle issue sporting the badge of Teos

Probably killed by Sulla.

This was an old style that I once owned. There is some graffiti on the reverse.

I believed it was a Buttrey M type Egyptian copy  17.07 g  23 mm

Au contraire!  I would love to know who had a Thompson #5 in their collection...and why? It is a subject of my write up of all the known specimens. That's to me, is numismatics!

"It does have three previous provenances and not one seems to have noticed that this is a new obverse and a new reverse." (From my  little paper on the early NewStyles) about a skoolkid egregious error by collectors & dealers....what is the point, who are these provenances?)

T#2 !

I guess I will be the interesting provenance when my coins hit the market. 

Hailed as from the famed " NewStyleKing collection of dubiously sourced smuggled coins". Modern ancient coins says, "NewStyleKing", a self styled expert who seemingly plundered other people's work as his own sprinkled with dubious "scholarship" of his own making and to a great arena of silence.  He did however collect a few rarities and bored collectors to death about them. A legend in his own lunchtime, he won't be missed.

Encapsulators will charge a premium to remove traces of his name from their products labels.

A spokesperson of the  BM states " we totally abhor his buccaneering attitude to collecting and we appeal to people not to purchase his coins...instead we would like to see them destroyed as a warning to others."

Sometime known as Cicerokid. NewStyleKing should be the very last name in provenance. 

A coin forum site said, paradoxically his dubious persona and notoriety might  become a certain cachet to an accidental collector in a couple of centuries time when all his ideas are proved to be 100% correct.

Them's not too rare...Ive seen the types in V coins! Locri, Tortoises and turtles of Aegina, boetica....Epirus? federal coinage of one type or another? Corinth got wasted 146BC  by the Romans, they could have still been in circulation. Interesting no Athens owls, so probably not a coinage stash but a bullion stash?

Demeas link?......remind me!!!!

A new name could be Ellis-Evans.

He did a die study of Abydos tetradrachms recently and they seem to be produced as a "request" for donations to the Roman cause!

The paper is on academia.

The Romans has certainly come out of their shell monetary wise. In Athens NewStyle the "over represented" NewStyles in Thracian hoards seem to point to a need for well known coinage in the mid-120's BC...probably for mercenaries.....why I don't know!  maybe someone knows or can guess! 

What does this mean? Headdress of Isis trumping Star and 2 Crescents! Romans defeating Mithradates? Why Headdress of Isis? Is it because Isis's epiphany at Rhodes was the first Roman (allied) victory over Eupator?  That's what I think! Anybody else has any views?  I mean this would be pivotal and this unique coin a major relic. What did Thompson make of it? DeCallatay...Meadows...Morkholm etc.......silence...(except me?)?