Valentinian Posted August 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 You'd think Roman mints would know how to spell the emperor's name, but the name of the emperor we call Licinius was not consistently spelled that way even after a few years had gone by. Here is typical coin with the usual spelling: IMP LICINIVS AVGSimple! 19 mm. 3.27 grams. RIC Nicomedia 24However, the mints of Cyzicus, Antioch, and Alexandria sometimes spelled it with two Ns and spelled out more of his name.22 mm. 6.34 grams.VAL LICINNIANVS LICINNIVS PF AVG [Now, that's a name!]GENIO AVGVSTI CMH (the CMH ligate)Genius standingMKVΓRIC VI Cyzicus 76 "c. mid 311"Licinius was appointed Augustus in late 308 at the Conference at Carnuntum. This coin is from 2 1/2 years later and his name is spelled with two Ns. Most other mints spell it with one N.Some legends at Cyzicus and Nicomedia, like this one, end with the enigmatic elided CMH: If that is really CMH, what does it mean? I don't think we know, but some have speculated that the C is 100 in Roman numerals and MH is 48 (in Greek). Maybe it is "48 to the pound" and 100 of something (denarii?). I like coins with long versions of the emperor's name. Show us a Licinius or a coin on which the emperor's name is unusually long. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted August 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 Here are a Maximinus and a Licinius. The Maximinus has no long name, but a long title. MAXIMINUS : MAXIMINIUS NOBILISSIMUS CAES GENIOPOPU-LI ROMANI RIC VI nr 59b LONDON 10,00 gr 26,29 mm LICINIUS : VAL LICINNIANUS LICINNIUS PF AVG VIRTUTI E-XERCITUS CYZICUS A/ /MKV RIC VI nr 51 5,94 gr 25,46 mm 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted August 18, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2022 Not that much longer but an extra LIC 😉... Licinius I AE Follis. 20mm dia/ 3.2gr Obverse- IMP LIC LICINIVS PF AVG, laureate head right Reverse- IOVI CON-SERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, holding victory and sceptre, eagle at foot with wreath in its beak,gamma to right. Mintmark SIS. RIC VII#8G (Siscia oficina3) 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted August 19, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 19, 2022 These mints which have the alternative spelling LICINNIVS belonged to Galerius and then Maximinus II and this spelling lasts until Licinius takes them over after the death of Maximinus in 313. Perhaps there's some connection there. It certainly looks like the preferred ortography by Licinius himself was LICINIVS with only one N. Antioch 310 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted August 19, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 19, 2022 Obv:- IMP C VAL LICAN (sic) LICINIVS P F AVG, radiate draped and cuirassed bust right Rev:- IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, holding Victory and sceptre, eagle at foot left, captive at foot right, X II Mu right Minted in Antioch (//SMANTZ). A.D. 321-323 Reference:- RIC VII Antioch 35 var (LICAN for LICIN) Obv:– IMP C LIC LICINNIVS P F AVG, Laureate head right Rev:– GENIO AVGVSTI, Genius, nude but for a chlamys hanging low from his left arm, modius on head, standing facing, head left, holding up a figurine of Victory in his righ hand and a cornucopia in his left arm Minted in Antioch (* | H // ANT). A.D. 311-312 Reference:– RIC VI Antioch 162a (S) 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted August 19, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 19, 2022 I've posted this coin recently on another thread but hope you don't mind me posting it again as for future reference I think the title of the thread fits...Misspelled name. Licinius I (RIC VII#155 Arles)-Unlisted- Licinius I AE Follis 20mm/3.43gr (Emperors name Misspelled) Obverse-IMP LICINVS PF AVG- laureate, cuirassed bust right Reverse-REV SOLI INVICTO COMITI- Sol standing right, looking left, chlamys across chest and over his left arm, holding globe and raising right hand. C-S across fields Exergue-PARL- minted 313-318AD Arles 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jims,Coins Posted August 20, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 20, 2022 Bronze coin (AE Follis) minted at SMN = Nicomedia during the reign of LICINIUS I between 311 - 313 A.D Obv. IMP.C.VAL.LICIN.LICINVS.P.F.AVG. Rev. IOVI.CONS-ERVATORI. Jupiter standing facing, hd. l., chlamys hanging from l. shoulder, r. holding Victory on globe, l. leaning on sceptre; eagle with wreath in beak at feet to l. RCS #3799. RICVI #69a pg.566. Bronze coin (AE Follis) minted at Alexandria during the reign of LICINIUS I in 321 A.D Obv. IMP.C.VAL.LICIN.LICINVS.P.F.AVG. laur. & cuir. bust r. Rev. IOVI.CONS-ERVATORI. Jupiter standing facing, hd. l., chlamys hanging from l. shoulder, r. holding Victory on globe, l. leaning on sceptre; eagle with wreath in beak at feet to l. RCS #3798. RICVII #28 pg.708. Bronze coin (AE3) minted at Nicomedia during the reign of LICINIUS I, for his Son LICINIUS II, as Caesar, between 317-320 A.D Obv. D.N.VAL.LICIN.LICINVS.NOB. C. laur. and draped bust r. Rev. PROVIDEN-TIAE.CAESS. Jupiter stg. l., a palm at his feet. RCS #3818. RICVII #34 pg.605. DVM #7. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinian Posted November 20, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 11:05 AM, Valentinian said: However, the mints of Cyzicus, Antioch, and Alexandria sometimes spelled it with two Ns and spelled out more of his name. I got one from a different issue from Cyzicus: This one also has the long legend and the "NN" spelling:VAL LICINNIANVS LICINNIVS PF AVG GENIO AVGVSTI (without "CMH" that the OP coin had)Genius standing, altar to leftSMKRIC VI Cyzicus 100 "c. 312-3" 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted November 20, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) Just happened to get this one photographed and put together. I assume that symbol in the reverse right field is a gamma? Not sure why it has that extra piece on the top. Perhaps the celator accidentally gouged the die while engraving. Edited November 21, 2022 by CPK 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwheelsearl Posted November 20, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 20, 2022 Here's an unusually long Gallienus IMP C P LIC GALLIENVS PF AVG 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinian Posted November 21, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 @hotwheelsearl is right that his coin has an unusually long legend for Gallienus. Here is another one: IMP C P LIC GALLIENVS PF AVG (Publius Licinius [Egnatius] Gallienus) 253-268. RESTITVT ORIENTIS It may be that Valerian and Gallienus restored the east (it is not clear if there were two campaigns or one and they may have had success in the first), but if they did, the restoration didn't last long. As we know, Valerian was captured and Gallienus had so many other problems that he did not try to get him back. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted November 24, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) The long legend is standard for the joint reign period. Valerian also had the same long legend on coinage in his name IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS [PF] AVG. Edited November 24, 2022 by seth77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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