LuckyLuudje Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 7, 2022 Hello all, This is my first post on a coin Forum, so please be gentle is I am mistaking. My first coin was a Dutch gold 10 guilder coin from 1875 that I bought around 1985 and still have it. I do collect collect coins my whole life, but bullion coins like sovereigns. Not really ancient. I did however buy some old coins I just bought because they are really beautifull and saved a few from melting. Lately I am getting more interested in finding the history of the old coins. So I want to document them for what they are. So here is my first. If I am correct, this would be a real Tertradrachme from Antiochus VII (138-129 BC). (weight 16,5 gram size 26,85mm and 28,36mm thick 3,78mm). All comments and opinions are appreciated. 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, LuckyLuudje said: All comments Wonderful... Gratulation! Coins of the Seleucid Empire are - in my opinion - some of the most beautiful ancient coins struck. Edited August 7, 2022 by Prieure de Sion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis JJ Posted August 7, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 7, 2022 Congratulations! Welcome to ancient coins! (Now that you've entered, you will never escape!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuudje Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 Thanks, 4 minutes ago, Curtis JJ said: Congratulations! Welcome to ancient coins! (Now that you've entered, you will never escape!) Sound like Hotel California 😀 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, LuckyLuudje said: Hello all, This is my first post on a coin Forum, so please be gentle is I am mistaking. My first coin was a Dutch gold 10 guilder coin from 1875 that I bought around 1985 and still have it. I do collect collect coins my whole life, but bullion coins like sovereigns. Not really ancient. I did however buy some old coins I just bought because they are really beautifull and saved a few from melting. Lately I am getting more interested in finding the history of the old coins. So I want to document them for what they are. So here is my first. If I am correct, this would be a real Tertradrachme from Antiochus VII (138-129 BC). (weight 16,5 gram size 26,85mm and 28,36mm thick 3,78mm). All comments and opinions are appreciated. 18 minutes ago, LuckyLuudje said: Hello all, This is my first post on a coin Forum, so please be gentle is I am mistaking. My first coin was a Dutch gold 10 guilder coin from 1875 that I bought around 1985 and still have it. I do collect collect coins my whole life, but bullion coins like sovereigns. Not really ancient. I did however buy some old coins I just bought because they are really beautifull and saved a few from melting. Lately I am getting more interested in finding the history of the old coins. So I want to document them for what they are. So here is my first. If I am correct, this would be a real Tertradrachme from Antiochus VII (138-129 BC). (weight 16,5 gram size 26,85mm and 28,36mm thick 3,78mm). All comments and opinions are appreciated. LuckyL., Welcome to the website ☺️. Your coin looks like one I sold at auction 🧐. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamnaskires Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 7, 2022 Great detail and toning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuudje Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) Thanks, that coin looks nice but more interesting is that the coin was struck Posthumous ? And Persian (Turkey) in stead of Greece? Edited August 7, 2022 by LuckyLuudje Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 7, 2022 Welcome to the ancient world! Great coin to start the business with! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuudje Posted August 7, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 Ha ha, thats funny, But wait till you will see my post of my coins in the future, My coins are really divers, from ancient greek, to Zecchinos, from Ducats to Dinars. That makes it for me so hard to determine them. I am now working on my Byzantine coins. found a few already Histamenon, Hyperpyron, Asper, Solidus, tremissis..... it makes me crazy but I get there😀 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted August 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 8, 2022 Posthumous coin of Antiochos Vll means a type of coin of the Seleucid king minted and copied in the Cappadocian kingdom to pay mercenary troops familiar with the type of coin. This was discovered not so long ago when controls on coins were noticed on Cappadocian drachms and such! The reading is found under Lorber on academia.edu. NSK=John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted August 9, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) Posters will learn generally more from looking at Numismatical papers tham from highly abbreviated posts! The papers often give the sense of what the authors were looking at and the deductions they made. The criticisms and digging they had to do to get to where they were and are. As above Krenkal and the rest had to know something about Cappadocian coins and the life and times of various the Ariathres kings and what mercenaries were available. Several great papers are available to ones who want to search on academia.edu. See my sold Antiochos Vll below that I found to be a Cappadocian copy, which made it more interesting! Antiochus Vll Sidetes Tetradrachm 138-129 BC Obs - Diademed head of Antiochus Vll in fillet border 16.32g 29mm SC 2061.4e ( Cappadocian mint?) Rev- Athena holding Nike presenting wreath left , right, hand on shield proping up spear Ins- ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ ΕΥΕΡΙΓΕΡΟΥ surrounded by wreath Control marks Monogram composing ΔΙ below A before Athena left Right above shield, A above M An early Cappadocian copy emission 4 obs A14 (Krenkal & Lorber 2009) NSK=John Edited August 9, 2022 by NewStyleKing 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuudje Posted August 9, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 That is interesting, Thanks for the information so I can continu the search so I can document it as good as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Theodosius Posted August 10, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted August 10, 2022 That is a really nice ancient coin, good choice. I love the dark toning. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted August 10, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) Beautiful tetradrachms of the Seleucid Empire you all have there! Beautiful. As I had already written - these coins have their special beauty and charm. The post also rang my doorbell today and brought me this specimen. Antiochos VII Euergetes (Sidetes) Tetradrachm of the Seleucid Empire Period 138/129 BC Material: Silver Diameter: 29mm Weight: 16.36g Mint: Antiochia ad Orontem, Seleucid Empire Reference: SC 2061.4e, HGC 9 1067d Obverse: You can see the diademed head of Antiochos VII to right. Reverse: Athena Nikephorus standing to the left holding a spear and shield. Two monograms and A on the fields. The inscription reads: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ ΕΥΕΡΓΕΤΟΥ for Basileos Antiochou Eurgetou (Basileús Antíochos ho Eurgetou / King Antiochos the Benefactor). Antiochos VII Euergetes, also called Antiochos Sidetes, reigned as king of the Seleucid Empire from 138 to 129 BC and is considered the last important ruler of this Hellenistic state. After the capture of his brother, the Seleucid king Demetrios II, by the Parthians, Antiochos, who had until then grown up abroad, laid claim to rule in his paternal kingdom. With the support of Demetrios' wife Cleopatra Thea, he was able to prevail in a military conflict against Diodotos Tryphon, his brother's previous rival for the throne. He thus ended the long-lasting civil wars in the Seleucid Empire, which only broke out again after his death. To legitimise his rule, he married his sister-in-law Cleopatra Thea. In his nine-year reign, Antiochos strove with some success to reverse the massive territorial and authority losses of the previous decades. Of the numerous wars he waged to this end, only the one against the Maccabean independence movement in Palestine is known in more detail. This conflict resulted in a siege of Jerusalem lasting several months, which was ended with a compromise. In the peace treaty concluded, the Jews were able to maintain their internal autonomy, but were firmly reintegrated into the Seleucid Empire. In 131 BC, Antiochos finally began a large-scale campaign against the Parthian Arsacids, the most aggressive enemies of the Seleucid Empire at the time, who had conquered economically very important Mesopotamia a few years earlier. The military advance was initially extremely successful: in the first year of the war, his army brought Mesopotamia back under its control, and in the second it advanced as far as the Parthian heartland southeast of the Caspian Sea. Antiochos rejected a peace offer from the Arsacids. This proved to be a mistake. While his soldiers were decentralised into winter camps, the Parthian king Phraates II organised a joint uprising of many cities in the region and then led his counter-attack, in which the militarily now much weaker Antiochos was defeated and lost his life. His brother Demetrios, whom Phraates had released shortly before, probably for tactical reasons, then entered his second reign in the Seleucid Empire. In the following years, however, the empire shrank again to a comparatively small area in Syria, Cilicia and Coilesyria. Nikephoros (Greek: "victory bringer", from nike "victory" and phoreo "bring, carry", Latin form: Nikephorus or Nicephorus) is an epithet of the Greek goddess Athena. Edited August 10, 2022 by Prieure de Sion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted August 10, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 10, 2022 Yes, but what about Ariathes (?) in cappadocia at the time? What was actually going on? Who were the mercenaries for, where were they coming from? Where are the hoards mainly containing imitations found? That's questions! Anyone interested in answers? When I bought my coin 12 years ago lots and lots of coins like this appeared for sale and prompted research . NSK=John Research is everything otherwise its a disembodied lump of silver no matter how sculpted and designed! It's a bit like art with no art criticism. Empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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