seth77 Posted July 20, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) Savoca (and other auction houses, mainly in Germany) had these last 2 months a series of these Alexandria Troas 'civic issues' on auction and most of them went for low bids, despite their indisputable quality. But this is probably one of the best I have ever seen. It's a regular coinage of the 250s apparently, with many specimens available in trade and at auction at any given time (despite the rarity implied in RPC, more on that later). Alexandria Troas Civic issue AE22mm 6.17g copper unit, minted at Alexandria ca. 250s. AL - EX TRO; draped bust of Tyche wearing arched einceinte with three towers, holding vexillum inscribed CO/AV over her right shoulder CO - L AVG - TRO; eagle with its wings widespread, holding a protome of a bull in its talons. RPC IX 515, Bellinger A490. Alexandria Troas minted extensively at the middle of the 3rd century, both coinage with Imperial figures and these so-called 'civic issues' showing on the obverse the local Tyche with a detailed city wall with towers and possibly arched gateways holding the symbols of the colonial status of the city on a vexillum. The reverse type with the eagle holding the bull protome in its talons is shared with coinage minted for emperors Trebonianus Gallus and Valerian so the dating is likely in the 250s. Although the type is common and many of them are presently offered by auction houses, RPC only notes 1 specimen under this entry. Very similar style and engraving, if not exactly a double die-match, here. Edited July 20, 2022 by seth77 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Julius Posted July 21, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 21, 2022 Great coin! I live the details on the eagle. I have a few coins from Alexandria Troas but apparently only two (poorly) photographed. VALERIAN, Alexandria Troas, 253 - 260 AD SNG Cop 191 var (obv legend). O: IMP LICI VALERIAN, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. R: COL AVG TRO, horse grazing right Caracalla AE27 of Alexandria Troas. M AVR ANTONINVS PIVS AVG, laureate head right / COL AVG TROAD, perspective view of hexstyle temple with statue of Apollo within holding patera and bow. SNG Cop 134 I really like the Caracalla but was just getting terrible photos of it and eventually gave up… the 3D temple is very cool in my opinion. The Temple of Apollo Smintheus and the legend behind the founding of the city is very interesting and really deserves a write up. ….but my kids are insane and don’t leave me time for such things. Maybe someday. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted July 21, 2022 · Patron Share Posted July 21, 2022 That is a nice example, @seth77! Here's my less well-preserved specimen. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_collector Posted July 21, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) Nice addition, @seth77. Here is mine, with the eagle seemingly looking backwards. 🙂 Edited July 21, 2022 by happy_collector 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted July 21, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 Loving all the crazy eyes! Awkwardly, my reverse is just an asses ass. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted July 21, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 Very nice acquisition, @seth77! The reverse is especially fabulous! This appears to be the last issue at Alexandria, Troas. It doesn't exist for Valerian, and so was likely produced after his capture c. 260: I'm hoping to understand how it figures in the context of the provincial mint closures, which you discuss in your interesting (and ongoing!) late provincial thread. I find it interesting that the portrait style coheres with the sole reign Imperial portraits much better than the earlier Alexandria portraits of Gallienus. The earlier ones look much the same as @Orange Julius's Valerian portrait. The production values were clearly higher in the pre-capture era as well... the poor legends on my coin are on the die, not a product of wear. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Steve Posted July 21, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted July 21, 2022 Congrats on snagging that sweet OP-coin, Seth (the Tyche-Troas coins are fun) I had a few ... wanna see 'em? (lotsa animals) 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted July 21, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 21, 2022 Mine is nowhere near as nice. A similar reverse type under Caracalla An a Max Thrax - horse and tree type Obv:- IMP MAXIMIMVS(retrograde), PIA, Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right Rev:- A in upper left, V in upper right, TROAS in exe, Horse facing right, grazing, tree behind Bellinger A364, the rev. is type 40, horse r. with tree 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsyas Mike Posted July 22, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 22, 2022 I've yet to get one of those grazing horse or eagle types, but here are a couple: Caracalla Æ 23 Alexandria, Troas (c. 214-215 A.D.) [IMP] M AVR ANTONINVS PI[VS?], laureate, draped and cuirassed bust r. / COL ALEX AVG, statue of Apollo Smintheus standing right on plinth, holding patera & bow; lighted tripod-altar right. (8.67 grams / 23 x 22 mm ) eBay March 2020 Attribution: Cf. Bellinger A293; Cf. SNG Cop 136; Cf. SNG von Aulock 1472. From Agora Auction No. 73, Lot 138 March 27, 2018 Alexandreia, Troas Æ 22 Pseudo-autonomous (Gallienus era c. 253-268 A.D.) CO ALEX [TRO], Turreted, draped bust of Tyche r., vexillum w. CO/AV behind / COL AV[G] TROA(C?), Marsyas standing right on pedestal, wine-skin over shoulder, right hand raised. (4.41 grams / 22 mm ) eBay May 2019 Bellinger A497 var. (with CO ALEX TRO on obv.); SNG Cop 103 var (ditto) SNG von Aulock 1463 var (ditto) 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwheelsearl Posted July 24, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 24, 2022 I have two Troa'n coins; This is the more traditioinal style with the COL AVG reverse. Horse is rather nice. Valerian's face is all bashed in, sort of like in real life, I would imagine. This is an interesting coin of Caracalla with a weird portrait. The reverse isn't that Civic style. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted July 25, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 Hi @hotwheelsearl -- none of your coins is a 'civic issue' they are both with Imperial portraits. 'Civic' issues usually have the local Tyche or a god/goddess, often with local connotations, instead of the emperor. Yours are 'provincial' issues. Another difference is I think regarding the intended use: 'civic coinage' was theoretically confined to the city use while coinage with Imperial portraits circulated more widely throughout the general area and/or province. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwheelsearl Posted July 26, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 26, 2022 On 7/25/2022 at 5:32 AM, seth77 said: Hi @hotwheelsearl -- none of your coins is a 'civic issue' they are both with Imperial portraits. 'Civic' issues usually have the local Tyche or a god/goddess, often with local connotations, instead of the emperor. Yours are 'provincial' issues. Another difference is I think regarding the intended use: 'civic coinage' was theoretically confined to the city use while coinage with Imperial portraits circulated more widely throughout the general area and/or province. Thanks for the knowledge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwerpen2306 Posted July 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 30, 2022 I have only 2 coins of Alexandria Troas. First Berlinger A 491, AD 200-268, semi automous period. Berlinger A 486 var. reverse : COL AL AV : I have read that this inscription was only used by Alexander Severus, but I am not sure. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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