wuntbedruv Posted May 1 · Member Share Posted May 1 A recent acquisition which is proving challenging to identify - any thoughts greatly appreciated. Diameter is 8mm, weight 0.7g. Seller thought it was probably Lycian dynasts but I'm not so sure. The incuse eagle head on the reverse appears similarly on coins of Abdera, but the obverse type is invariably a griffin. Here it seems to be Pegasus. Answers on a postcard, got me totally stumped. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AETHER Posted May 2 · Member Share Posted May 2 It's beautiful tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted May 2 · Supporter Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, wuntbedruv said: The incuse eagle head on the reverse appears similarly on coins of Abdera, Just to steer completely away from Abdera, I went through May and there's nothing. The closest is May 125 but the dotting is completely different. Kunker just did a huge sale of what you'd expect to show up re the Lycian (very generally speaking) style Pegasos and there was nothing like your coin. Ditto the obvious eagle suspects from Elis, to Kyme to Sinope etc. I know this answer isn't worthy of a postcard and usually I'd start worrying at a mashup but Cilicia/Lycia etc etc do throw up some unique coins. And stylistically it fits with some of these from that sale. https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?search=pegasos&p=sale&sid=7708&s=b Long shot, but the man who sold a huge number of these types in this sale might be able to help as he's supposedly a true expert. Can't hurt to ask them. That is of course if it's not id'ed here or elsewhere before. Last thought from me (no doubt thankfully!) is that area did produce coins like yours with the dotted lines within the incuse AND being inside a frame, which is unusual. Like this framed dotted line. https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=7708&lot=55 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesiod Posted May 2 · Member Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, Deinomenid said: Long shot, but the man who sold a huge number of these types in this sale might be able to help as he's supposedly a true expert. He is unfortunately deceased (as of about two weeks before the kunker sale) and so is Museler who almost certainly would have been able to help and had published the collection before =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuntbedruv Posted May 2 · Member Author Share Posted May 2 6 hours ago, Deinomenid said: Just to steer completely away from Abdera, I went through May and there's nothing. The closest is May 125 but the dotting is completely different. Kunker just did a huge sale of what you'd expect to show up re the Lycian (very generally speaking) style Pegasos and there was nothing like your coin. Ditto the obvious eagle suspects from Elis, to Kyme to Sinope etc. I know this answer isn't worthy of a postcard and usually I'd start worrying at a mashup but Cilicia/Lycia etc etc do throw up some unique coins. And stylistically it fits with some of these from that sale. https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?search=pegasos&p=sale&sid=7708&s=b Long shot, but the man who sold a huge number of these types in this sale might be able to help as he's supposedly a true expert. Can't hurt to ask them. That is of course if it's not id'ed here or elsewhere before. Last thought from me (no doubt thankfully!) is that area did produce coins like yours with the dotted lines within the incuse AND being inside a frame, which is unusual. Like this framed dotted line. https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=7708&lot=55 This is all extremely helpful, thanks very much! I too had initial authenticity concerns because of how unusual the obverse motif was, but I cannot see any features which suggest the coin is not genuine. Its certainly not cast and the metal looks fine. I guess this will be a sparse ticket- 'Lycian???' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted May 2 · Member Share Posted May 2 Teos is famed for its Griffins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted May 2 · Supporter Share Posted May 2 12 hours ago, Hesiod said: He is unfortunately deceased I had no idea. Thank you for pointing it out. I saw some of his coins already being resold by Waddell with his dates but assumed an error. Ex: Dr. Kaya Sayar( 1933-2024) collection etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted May 2 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 2 I'm not so certain the obverse is a griffin. It looks a lot closer to an archaic Pegasos IMHO - similar to the types this size often attributed to Lampsakos (though I understand the attribution is not agreed upon). Here's an example - https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=11895622 However, Lampsakos isn't known for the eagle design. AFAICT the Abdera issue already mentioned is the closest there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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