panzerman Posted April 8 · Member Share Posted April 8 Picked up this from NBJ Auctions.... Sasanian Empire AV Dinara (3 Dated)? Balkh Mint Peroz I 459-84AD 3.71g.  21mm. 12h  Please add your Sasanian coins😃 off to work! 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn235 Posted April 8 · Member Share Posted April 8 I was eyeing the handful of Indo Sassanians flanking that one but decided not to bid on anything. I noticed that one - is it an official mint product or an imitation? Style seemed very questionable to me! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZ Numismatics Posted April 8 · Member Share Posted April 8 Yeah, I don't understand the classification. Lots of dealers list their Sassanian coins as Greek, They have almost no connection to Greek coins. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quant.geek Posted April 8 · Member Share Posted April 8 I am not even sure if Sassanians struck gold coins....I heard from someone but don't remember who that almost all of the Sassanian gold coins that are offered are fake/imitations. Don't know if that statement is true or not... Â 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted April 8 · Supporter Share Posted April 8 I've seen Sasanian gold coinage at the BM, and there's a lot of it online there. Eg https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_1848-0803-272  2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn235 Posted April 8 · Member Share Posted April 8 It was the Parthians who didn't strike gold. Sassanian gold is fairly common. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted April 8 · Supporter Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Finn235 said: It was the Parthians who didn't strike gold. Sassanian gold is fairly common. It's probably the Parthians' fault that the Sasanids are listed under Greek. The Parthians started out Hellenistic, following on from the Seleucids. The Sasanians were the bit in the middle before the arrival of Islam. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted April 9 · Member Share Posted April 9 Thanks, @Deinomenid, for clarifying that point. Examples in gold are the last thing that ever shows up on the market. To @JAZ Numismatics's point, all I have in print is Gobl (wish I'd evolved to the level of knowing how to type an umlaut). But he notes that "the minting of gold was essentially a matter of Sasanian prestige and of paying homage to Achaemenid tradition" (p. 27, bottom). ...Maybe that partly explains what the irreducibly silly tradition of classifying Sasanian as 'Greek' was predicated on. Along comparable lines, I could go on about what I think about calling Byzantine coins 'ancient.' But that's already happened. ...But in both cases, we aren't just talking about the operant chronologies; it's about who, geopolitically, these polities were actually interacting with. Including ones that no one blinks at characterizing as 'medieval.' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn235 Posted April 9 · Member Share Posted April 9 3 minutes ago, John Conduitt said: It's probably the Parthians' fault that the Sasanids are listed under Greek. The Parthians started out Hellenistic, following on from the Seleucids. The Sasanians were the bit in the middle before the arrival of Islam. To be fair, it can be kind of difficult to draw lines where Persia and Persian-affiliated coins are concerned. I've noticed that CNG differentiates "Eastern Greek" from "Central Asian" based on whether they use Greek or another language. Other auction houses place them under Greek, or sometimes even in the world coins section, between Russia and Spain! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted April 9 · Member Author Share Posted April 9 Thanks for comments/ seems many auction houses lump Cathage/ Lydia/ Persia/ Parthia in with Greek. Peroz I gold coins seem to have been struck at various mints/ Sasanian Empire. Then there are Huna coins with his portrait too. Kushano-Sasanian Empire has coins with different Peroz! John  3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted April 9 · Member Share Posted April 9 Thanks for the enlightening expansion of the full range involved, @panzerman. By comparison with Sasanian, even lumping the earlier ones, down to Parthia, makes relative sense.... But, yeah, auction houses should just come clean and expand their categories. ...Could it be a selling point, by way of getting the attention of people who go straight to Greek? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted April 10 · Member Author Share Posted April 10 i think it sheer laziness/ lumping is less work for them. Â Even in 10 th. ed. Friedberg "Gold coins of the World" they still omit Sasanian/ Merovingian/ Visigoth gold coinage. Also some Oriental issues from Khymer Kingdom/ Malay States missing..... Â 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velarfricative Posted April 10 · Member Share Posted April 10 On 4/8/2024 at 8:04 PM, Finn235 said: based on whether they use Greek or another language I don't think that's how they divide it, CNG puts the coinage of Persis in Oriental Greek and their issues don't use Greek. Indo-Scythian and Kushan coinage use Greek, but those are always in Central Asian. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croatian Coin Collector Posted August 2 · Member Share Posted August 2 I have two Sassanid coins, the first is a Gold Dinar of Shapur II, while the second is a Silver Drachm of Khosrow II: Â Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croatian Coin Collector Posted August 2 · Member Share Posted August 2 (edited) On 4/9/2024 at 1:52 PM, panzerman said: Thanks for comments/ seems many auction houses lump Cathage/ Lydia/ Persia/ Parthia in with Greek. Peroz I gold coins seem to have been struck at various mints/ Sasanian Empire. Then there are Huna coins with his portrait too. Kushano-Sasanian Empire has coins with different Peroz! John Yes, and I find it and other inaccurate classifications very annoying, I have missed out or almost missed out on interesting coins several times because of this. Edited August 2 by Croatian Coin Collector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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