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Constantine X - Why So Skinny?


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I picked this up the other day because I love Constantine X folles and I thought I could detect a bit of an overstrike that I may be able sus out.
Imagine my surprise when it arrived yesterday and was paper thin! I compared it to my other Constantine X follis and the difference was quite striking - no pun intended. 

I did a quick vcoins and acsearch look-see and the average weight for these seems to be in the mid 7 grams with a high of a bit over 11g and a low of mid 5s. 
What do you think caused this? Was it struck on a super thin planchet? If so, wouldn't that make people not want to use it for trade? The whole point of official coinage being a (somewhat) standard weight (for ancient times). I don't think the reduced weight is due to environmental damage either.

Could it be a contemporary counterfeit? 

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for looking!

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4 hours ago, Furryfrog02 said:

I picked this up the other day because I love Constantine X folles and I thought I could detect a bit of an overstrike that I may be able sus out.
Imagine my surprise when it arrived yesterday and was paper thin! I compared it to my other Constantine X follis and the difference was quite striking - no pun intended. 

I did a quick vcoins and acsearch look-see and the average weight for these seems to be in the mid 7 grams with a high of a bit over 11g and a low of mid 5s. 
What do you think caused this? Was it struck on a super thin planchet? If so, wouldn't that make people not want to use it for trade? The whole point of official coinage being a (somewhat) standard weight (for ancient times). I don't think the reduced weight is due to environmental damage either.

Could it be a contemporary counterfeit? 

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for looking!

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I think the counterfeit idea has some substance 😉.

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Don’t have an answer for you but I do have Maurice Tiberius Pentanummi that is paper thin as well. Normal flan diameter but less than a 1/3rd the weight of regular ones. It’s like 0.61g. Back of coin looks normal too

no where near the time period as yours so certainly not linking the 2, just another Byzantine coin mystery..

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This is an interesting thread. I know next to nothing about this coin, which I've had for 25 years or more.

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Constantine X and Eudocia, AD 1059-1067.
Byzantine Æ Follis, 5.58 g, 25.7 mm, 5 h.
Constantinople, AD 1059-1067.
Obvs: +ЄMMANOVHΛ IC XC, Christ on footstool holding gospels.
Revs: ЄVΔK AVΓO +KѠN T ΔK, Eudocia and Constantine holding labarum.
Ref: Sear 1853; DOC 8.

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2 hours ago, Roman Collector said:

This is an interesting thread. I know next to nothing about this coin, which I've had for 25 years or more.

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Constantine X and Eudocia, AD 1059-1067.
Byzantine Æ Follis, 5.58 g, 25.7 mm, 5 h.
Constantinople, AD 1059-1067.
Obvs: +ЄMMANOVHΛ IC XC, Christ on footstool holding gospels.
Revs: ЄVΔK AVΓO +KѠN T ΔK, Eudocia and Constantine holding labarum.
Ref: Sear 1853; DOC 8.

I like that one! It looks like Christ is holding his disembodied head in his hand 😛
At least, the size of yours matches about what the weight should be on the average that I've seen. 

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14 minutes ago, Ancient Coin Hunter said:

Interesting coin and commentary. It doesn't seem to be a counterfeit to me - I mean, what's the point? 

Yeah I don't think it is a modern counterfeit. No point in counterfeiting such a low value coin. But perhaps a contemporary one? I don't know. 
Or was the QC out sick at the mint that day and it slipped through? lol

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35 minutes ago, Furryfrog02 said:

Yeah I don't think it is a modern counterfeit. No point in counterfeiting such a low value coin. But perhaps a contemporary one? I don't know. 
Or was the QC out sick at the mint that day and it slipped through? lol

I have a different constantine X Follis, sb 1854, which I specifically bought because of its size, 13.54g… these usually range from 6-11g max. 
 

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This ugly Class C I always found interesting because of the length of Christ. I thought it was half overstruck on your Constantine X type. Sorry it is not an attractive coin but Christ is full length.  30.58mm and 7.7gm 

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