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NewStyleKing Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 £14000 + juice a bargain. The portrait is almost Bactrian in realism. The write up by Roma shows you couldn't trust anybody. An example was found in the very useful mixed Demetrios l hoard. Generally quite a few coins took a bath for their investor owners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted July 7, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2023 It doesn't look in the best condition. You have quite a choice of coins with the £20,000 estimate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 Get another! These are not quotidian old style mass classic Athens or Constantinian AE's! The Teos tetradrachm only went for £22K. Some Tenedos coins went unsold! Coins of the Great Transformation are cheaper than coins of classical times generally.IMHO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted July 7, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, NewStyleKing said: Get another! These are not quotidian old style mass classic Athens or Constantinian AE's! The Teos tetradrachm only went for £22K. Some Tenedos coins went unsold! Coins of the Great Transformation are cheaper than coins of classical times generally.IMHO Ok but what makes this coin special? Rarity is not rare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 This 42lb lump of ? had also an estimate of £20K.......if you want it it's still available. If you look at it long enough you can imagine all kinds of images in it. I can see a crouching Tiger left picture middle towards the top in gold! I'd love to see it in a NGC plastic tomb! Central Italy, uncertain mint cast Æ Aes Formatum. Circa 6th-4th century BC. Disk-shaped with rounded obverse / Flat. ICC -; cf. Haeberlin p. 4, pl. 2 var. (weight); cf. Nomos AG, obolos 25, 568 var. (weight), cf. Oslo Myntgalleri AS 28, 227 var. (shape) (hammer: 500,000 NOK). 19.5kg, 275mm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, John Conduitt said: Ok but what makes this coin special? Rarity is not rare. Only a few known of this interesting character at a most interesting time of Seleucid suicide and the artistry of the portrait is of Bactrian quality...a coin of the Greet Transformation when coins became interesting and large and well made ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted July 7, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, NewStyleKing said: Only a few known of this interesting character at a most interesting time of Seleucid suicide and the artistry of the portrait is of Bactrian quality...a coin of the Greet Transformation when coins became interesting and large and well made ! Ok so if you want Orophernes, this is it. Fair enough. That 'formatum' could be anything. Most formatum at least has some proper 'form'. How do they make out it has historical importance? £20k probably only just covers the shipping, though. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celator Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Share Posted July 7, 2023 31 minutes ago, NewStyleKing said: This 42lb lump of ? had also an estimate of £20K.......if you want it it's still available. If you look at it long enough you can imagine all kinds of images in it. I can see a crouching Tiger left picture middle towards the top in gold! I'd love to see it in a NGC plastic tomb! Central Italy, uncertain mint cast Æ Aes Formatum. Circa 6th-4th century BC. Disk-shaped with rounded obverse / Flat. ICC -; cf. Haeberlin p. 4, pl. 2 var. (weight); cf. Nomos AG, obolos 25, 568 var. (weight), cf. Oslo Myntgalleri AS 28, 227 var. (shape) (hammer: 500,000 NOK). 19.5kg, 275mm. Has to be a typo. I have one that is 140mm and 3.1kg I don't have a coin archives account, acsearch the largest is 180mm and 2.7kg. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 Yes it could be anything....tsch! Coin collectors eh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celator Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Share Posted July 7, 2023 I found the one they are referencing. Massive 20kg, just an insane weight but no size given. BTW 500k NOK is ~$46000 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted July 7, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2023 Wow, I like the part about the reverse inscription done in permanent marker. 🤯 If only the Romans had known, they wouldn't have had to go to all the bother of cutting dies. 😄 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 In your opinion would the inscription added add to the value? It obviously is a valuable provenance marker!....Does it read....Provenance, ex Baron de Chambrier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry G Posted July 7, 2023 · Member Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) Found my new doorstop Edited July 7, 2023 by Harry G 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted July 7, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted July 7, 2023 5 hours ago, NewStyleKing said: This 42lb lump of ? had also an estimate of £20K.......if you want it it's still available. If you look at it long enough you can imagine all kinds of images in it. I can see a crouching Tiger left picture middle towards the top in gold! I'd love to see it in a NGC plastic tomb! Central Italy, uncertain mint cast Æ Aes Formatum. Circa 6th-4th century BC. Disk-shaped with rounded obverse / Flat. ICC -; cf. Haeberlin p. 4, pl. 2 var. (weight); cf. Nomos AG, obolos 25, 568 var. (weight), cf. Oslo Myntgalleri AS 28, 227 var. (shape) (hammer: 500,000 NOK). 19.5kg, 275mm. I wonder if they enforced the rule that you have to roll coins before depositing them in the bank back then... Also, if you think that's big, just wait until they dig up the vending machines that accepted them! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted July 7, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, NewStyleKing said: £14000 + juice a bargain. The portrait is almost Bactrian in realism. The write up by Roma shows you couldn't trust anybody. An example was found in the very useful mixed Demetrios l hoard. Generally quite a few coins took a bath for their investor owners. Sorry, if I had "£14000 + juice" to spend on a single coin, I would never buy this one. I don't care how rare it is, I think it's rather ugly and unappealing with all the scratches. I don't see anything special about the portrait's quality, either. To each their own! Edited July 7, 2023 by DonnaML 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted July 7, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2023 10 hours ago, NewStyleKing said: Generally quite a few coins took a bath for their investor owners. A lot of the more expensive Greek coins did very poorly. This hasn't been the case at other recent auctions. Hmm. Caveat venditor. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted July 7, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted July 7, 2023 2 hours ago, DonnaML said: Sorry, if I had "£14000 + juice" to spend on a single coin, I would never buy this one. I don't care how rare it is, I think it's rather ugly and unappealing with all the scratches. I don't see anything special about the portrait's quality, either. To each their own! This is actually a good "budget" win for the type. Granted, I wouldn't spend 14k on any coin, but of all the coins in the auction this is the only one I found intriguing. Overall this was the least interesting Roma auction I've seen. I'm not sure if this is the same coin that was listed and withdrawn by Roma in 2022. What I'm hoping is there's a hidden cache of these and the prices will come down... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 8, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) Sold for £22K +juice. This portrait is reproduced on Cappadocian drachms and are common. This coin has the Mithradatic reverse that was standard until being replaced with a stag at the time Eupator took Pergamon. Some of these coins was found in the fabled Poggio Picenze hoard IGCH imprisoned in the Archaeolgica Chieti. Luckily Morkholm had access to them and published a paper on them in Essays Robinson, otherwise they too would disappear into the numismatic curatorial fug of Chieti . Edited July 8, 2023 by NewStyleKing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 8, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 8, 2023 This SILVER drachm from Coin archives shows the similarity of Ariarathes lX's portraits 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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