Roman Collector Posted April 26, 2023 · Patron Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) This denarius of Faustina II is currently up for auction at Nomos. They describe its bust as "Diademed and draped bust of Faustina Junior to right, wearing a double circlet of pearls and with her hair bound up in a bun at the back." THIS IS INCORRECT. IT IS NOT DIADEMED (stephaned). The bust type is the Beckmann Type 7 coiffure, characterized by a prominent brow wave, behind which lies a braid in parallel. Older reference works (RIC, BMCRE, Strack) incorrectly describe this braid as either a single or double "strand of pearls." But statuary never features strands of pearls, but only a braid, such as on this bust in the Museo della Terme. Die engravers rendered this braid as a series of dots, which do resemble pearls, such as on my example of this coin: The coin at the Nomos auction is simply another specimen of this very common coin. It does NOT HAVE A DIADEMED bust. How common is this coin??? Well, there were 263 of them in the Reka Devnia hoard, accounting for 19% of all denarii in the hoard issued under Marcus Aurelius. It is NOT WORTH 280 CHF. DO NOT BID ON THIS THINKING YOU'RE GETTING A RARITY. Nomos cites the CNG provenance. This is real. BUT note that CNG describes the coin properly and DOES NOT MENTION A DIADEM OR STEPHANE (because there isn't one): "Draped bust right, wearing a double circlet of pearls around head." Nomos isn't simply cutting and pasting another dealer's description, inadvertently propagating a misattribution; Nomos described this on their own and MADE AN ERROR. Here is what a genuine specimen of the diademed/stephaned bust type looks like (specimen in my collection). I have written to Nomos informing them of their error. I hope they reply promptly and take my concern seriously. I hope they do the right thing and correct the error in their description and notify those who have already placed bids so that they may retract them. I'll keep you folks informed. Edited April 26, 2023 by Roman Collector Acknowledge actions by the auctioneer 15 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted April 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 26, 2023 R.C., Your observation is interesting & controversial 🤔. The Nomos denarius has two engraved incisions that appear to form the tip of a diadem 🧐. Is it possible that this is a diadem decorated with pearls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted April 26, 2023 · Patron Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Al Kowsky said: R.C., Your observation is interesting & controversial 🤔. The Nomos denarius has two engraved incisions that appear to form the tip of a diadem 🧐. Is it possible that this is a diadem decorated with pearls? I do not believe so. I have also just heard from Nomos. See below. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted April 26, 2023 · Patron Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 UPDATE!!! Nomos has acknowledged their error. Here is their e-mail to me. Dear Roman Collector, Thank you for your very detailed and, unfortunately (for us), very convincing email! You are, in my opinion, 100% right! And, in fact, when it appeared in CNG e447 it was correctly described, but we, somehow, managed to screw it up. I have corrected the description in the online version. And we will announce the lack of a diadem at the auction. We haven’t changed the estimate because, frankly, the quality of the coin is high enough to make the it well worth it. In any case, you may not find it believable but the owner valued this coin much higher than our estimate (but then he is a European living in the USA). Thanks for the “heads up” and sorry for the error. Yours sincerely, Dr Alan S. Walkernomos ag auf der mauer 9 8001 zürich schweizwww.nomosag.com phone +41 44 250 51 80 fax +41 44 250 51 89 e-mail awalker@nomosag.com I have edited the title of this thread to reflect they have done the right thing. 👍 10 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisimo Posted April 26, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2023 Nomos is a good auction house. I have never had anything but good experiences with them. I’m not surprised they responded and set everything right. It is a nice coin, diadem or no. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted April 26, 2023 · Patron Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, Curtisimo said: Nomos is a good auction house. I have never had anything but good experiences with them. I’m not surprised they responded and set everything right. It is a nice coin, diadem or no. The diademed type is quite scarce. Although present in the British Museum collection, the coin is unlisted in RIC and Cohen. Temeryazev & Makarenko estimate there are 25-49 specimens in existence. After searching through internet databases, though, I think that number is an overestimate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenfool Posted April 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 26, 2023 Very dignified and humble response. 280 CHF does still seem a bit high given the change of rarity, it's not that nice in my opinion. We shall see, however. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted April 26, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 26, 2023 And since Alan Walker replied to your request, here is one of his best song : 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanxi Posted April 26, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2023 Here is mine: Faustina Minor AR-Denar, Rome, AD 161-175 Obv: FAVSTINA AVGVSTA, diademed, draped bust right Rev.: FECVNDITAS, Fecunditas standing right holding scepter in right and infant in left Ag, 3.47g, 19mm Ref.: RIC III 677 var. (diademed), CRE 177 [R] 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted April 26, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2023 Their descriptions can be interesting. They've also taken to describing drinking horns as giant phalluses emerging from umm abdomens. CALABRIA. Tarentum. Circa 325-280 BC. Litra (Silver, 11 mm, 0.89 g, 3 h). Scallop shell. Rev. Dolphin leaping to right; above, monogram of NE; below, a very curious figure, squatting and facing front: he appears to be a satyr holding an uncertain object in his raised right hand and has what appears to be a giant phallus coming out from his abdomen to his left. Probably they'll get a higher price though with that. First image is theirs, second image is a close up of a coin of mine, a Vlasto 772 nomos. Admittedly it might not be the best-engraved drinking horn ever, but nor is it an "abdomen penis"! 2 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonarobin Posted April 27, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) Pretty sure mine is an obverse die match to the OP from Roma. Glad they corrected it. ( I can see how it could be mistaken for pearls!) Edited April 27, 2023 by arizonarobin 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanxi Posted April 28, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) There are also two braid variations. The braided band can look like one or two strings of beads: or and there is a type wothout diadem or braided band: Edited April 28, 2023 by shanxi 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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