DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 Greetings, I was aiming for this coin today but I couldn't keep up. In any case i would like your opinion on this piece(condition, price etc). Also, I have a couple uncleaned silver coins with this kind of deposits. Is it horn silver? Can it be treated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted March 11, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2023 Saw it. It sold for a silly amount for its wear. Glad you didn't spend that kind of money on this coin. Yes, horn silver can be cleaned off. I don't have the recipe handy, but easily Googlable. Or just use the search function on here or coin talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZ Numismatics Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) I don't think that coin can be helped. It is what it is. It looks like someone already tried to remove the horn silver under Athena and scratched the hell out of it. Edited March 11, 2023 by JAZ Numismatics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted March 11, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2023 It's got a lot of eye appeal, despite the scratches. I like the deep toning and the portrait looks to be very nicely struck. What did it sell for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, CPK said: It's got a lot of eye appeal, despite the scratches. I like the deep toning and the portrait looks to be very nicely struck. What did it sell for? The obverse is what got me but the scratches are too much I think. It sold for 300 EU. It seems a lot for this condition but lysimachus coins are usually very expensive so I am not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 I was personally targeting this: 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, El Cazador said: I was personally targeting this: Beautiful. Leu auction? I wish I could get something like that but it's out of my budget. What did it sell for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, DimitriosL said: Beautiful. Leu auction? I wish I could get something like that but it's out of my budget. What did it sell for? Leu, $5,200 with juice - very, very excessive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, El Cazador said: Leu, $5,200 with juice - very, very excessive Oh my, I am not there yet I am afraid. The goth version above was the best I could do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted March 11, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 11, 2023 I prefer this one. Yeah, there are many better ones, but it's sitting in my collection and I can look at it (even hold it) whenever I want. 🙂 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 30 minutes ago, Ryro said: Saw it. It sold for a silly amount for its wear. Glad you didn't spend that kind of money on this coin. Yes, horn silver can be cleaned off. I don't have the recipe handy, but easily Googlable. Or just use the search function on here or coin talk. I see, what it would be a fair price for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, kirispupis said: I prefer this one. Yeah, there are many better ones, but it's sitting in my collection and I can look at it (even hold it) whenever I want. 🙂 It is nice, but portrait is a bit soft… regardless it is still a nice coin with great cabinet toning Edited March 11, 2023 by El Cazador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, kirispupis said: I prefer this one. Yeah, there are many better ones, but it's sitting in my collection and I can look at it (even hold it) whenever I want. 🙂 Very nice! What do you think about the one above sold by savoca for 300? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, DimitriosL said: Very nice! What do you think about the one above sold by savoca for 300? $300 about the right price for the condition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted March 11, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, DimitriosL said: Very nice! What do you think about the one above sold by savoca for 300? Well, as you know, Lysimachos tets aren't cheap. Personally, I compensated by not going after that killer portrait, as @El Cazadorpointed out with my coin. A bonus for me was that the mint (Perinthos) is rare and that it appears unpublished (attribution is below). Looking through recent auctions, I think your coin may have gone a bit high. Given the condition and other sales, IMHO 240 Euros would have been right. That being said, I'm a big fan of looking at the positives for each coin. Not all of us have $5k for a splendid example, so rather than focusing on its deficiencies, I would concentrate on the toning. I'm sure whoever bought it will be excited to own it. Lysimachos 287/281 BCE Perinthos 17.08g Kopf des vergöttlichten Alexander / Athena mit Nike-Statuette auf Cippus und Schild, Beiz. Monogramm und 2 gegenläufige Pferdeprotomen. Thompson in Festschr. Robinson (1968), -, vgl. 256 HGC 1750q; Thompson, Armenak-Hoard (=ANS MN 31, 198 - Müller, Lysimachus - Arnold-Biucchi in Festschr. Price (1998) Unpublished variant(?) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted March 11, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2023 38 minutes ago, DimitriosL said: The obverse is what got me but the scratches are too much I think. It sold for 300 EU. It seems a lot for this condition but lysimachus coins are usually very expensive so I am not sure. Oh okay. I'd say 300 EUR was pretty good. Not a steal, maybe, but not outrageous either. You'd be looking at ~370 EUR after fees and everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, El Cazador said: $300 about the right price for the condition Yeah seems fair, but once again I was limited. Maybe I should begin with roman issues, denarii perhaps, and when I have more money to spare go for the white whales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, CPK said: Oh okay. I'd say 300 EUR was pretty good. Not a steal, maybe, but not outrageous either. You'd be looking at ~370 EUR after fees and everything. Yes it was pretty average. Then again I am not sure if that horn silver is stable or Is gonna spread. Either way I hope the winner enjoys it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 In my opinion, a 357 euros price (300 + 18% fees + 1% insurance for transport) is not a price to make me say "oh boy, how could I miss this one". I have a Lysimachos drachm (I don't have any tetradrachms) with the same design. Bought accidentally. It is one of the coins I look at and smile, but the mistake could have been costly. I was not paying attention to the auction as the lots I was interested in were coming after 1-2 hours. Sometimes I buy CHEAP impulse coins before the ones I am after appear, but rarely something over 50 euros. KINGS of THRACE. Lysimachos.(305-281 BC). Ephesos. Drachm. 18 mm, 4.2 g Obv : Diademed head of the deified Alexander right, wearing horn of Ammon. / Rev : BAΣIΛEΩΣ ΛYΣIMAXOY. / Rev: Athena seated left on the throne, holding Nike, crowning the king's name, in her right hand and leaning with her left arm on shield decorated with lion's head, transverse spear with point below, lyre to the inner left field, A under the throne. Thompson 174; Müller 355. This one had no bids, I heard "No bid. Going once. Going twice". So I quickly clicked the mouse when seeing it's a nice coin, even if corroded, the design is intact (and beautiful) ... only to see the opening bid was not 10 euros, like the rest of the coins in the auction, but 100. I mumbled some not very nice words but in the end it was a benign mistake as I think the price is justified for it. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, DimitriosL said: Yeah seems fair, but once again I was limited. Maybe I should begin with roman issues, denarii perhaps, and when I have more money to spare go for the white whales. Yeah, general consensus: it’s better to get common coin in better condition than “rare” coin in poor condition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, kirispupis said: Well, as you know, Lysimachos tets aren't cheap. Personally, I compensated by not going after that killer portrait, as @El Cazadorpointed out with my coin. A bonus for me was that the mint (Perinthos) is rare and that it appears unpublished (attribution is below). Looking through recent auctions, I think your coin may have gone a bit high. Given the condition and other sales, IMHO 240 Euros would have been right. That being said, I'm a big fan of looking at the positives for each coin. Not all of us have $5k for a splendid example, so rather than focusing on its deficiencies, I would concentrate on the toning. I'm sure whoever bought it will be excited to own it. Lysimachos 287/281 BCE Perinthos 17.08g Kopf des vergöttlichten Alexander / Athena mit Nike-Statuette auf Cippus und Schild, Beiz. Monogramm und 2 gegenläufige Pferdeprotomen. Thompson in Festschr. Robinson (1968), -, vgl. 256 HGC 1750q; Thompson, Armenak-Hoard (=ANS MN 31, 198 - Müller, Lysimachus - Arnold-Biucchi in Festschr. Price (1998) Unpublished variant(?) Very interesting, it's a beautiful issue either way so enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimitriosL Posted March 11, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, ambr0zie said: In my opinion, a 357 euros price (300 + 18% fees + 1% insurance for transport) is not a price to make me say "oh boy, how could I miss this one". I have a Lysimachos drachm (I don't have any tetradrachms) with the same design. Bought accidentally. It is one of the coins I look at and smile, but the mistake could have been costly. I was not paying attention to the auction as the lots I was interested in were coming after 1-2 hours. Sometimes I buy CHEAP impulse coins before the ones I am after appear, but rarely something over 50 euros. KINGS of THRACE. Lysimachos.(305-281 BC). Ephesos. Drachm. 18 mm, 4.2 g Obv : Diademed head of the deified Alexander right, wearing horn of Ammon. / Rev : BAΣIΛEΩΣ ΛYΣIMAXOY. / Rev: Athena seated left on the throne, holding Nike, crowning the king's name, in her right hand and leaning with her left arm on shield decorated with lion's head, transverse spear with point below, lyre to the inner left field, A under the throne. Thompson 174; Müller 355. This one had no bids, I heard "No bid. Going once. Going twice". So I quickly clicked the mouse when seeing it's a nice coin, even if corroded, the design is intact (and beautiful) ... only to see the opening bid was not 10 euros, like the rest of the coins in the auction, but 100. I mumbled some not very nice words but in the end it was a benign mistake as I think the price is justified for it. Yeah it was an average price in my opinion. If it was closer to 250 I would get it because of the toning and the portrait. That's a nice drachm u got there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted March 11, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, El Cazador said: Yeah, general consensus: it’s better to get common coin in better condition than “rare” coin in poor condition That's subjective. Each of us has our own goals. I personally like rarer coins, but I can understand those who would rather put the money into better condition. I picked up this coin today. Did I pay too much? Maybe. However, I've been after a Nikomedes IV tet for some time and I felt the obvious detractions were still worth the bid. Sure, I could have paid three times as much for a gorgeous coin, but I'm very happy with the one I got. That's the point I'm really trying to make. Once you buy that coin, it's yours - so enjoy it. Don't let others try to tell you it's not special and don't get too caught up in whether you overpaid. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted March 11, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2023 44 minutes ago, DimitriosL said: I see, what it would be a fair price for this? I didn't think it would go over 200€. I wouldn't have flushed that much on such a trash version though. Even if the horn silver comes off, it's wear an ho-hum style just make this a silly amount. Here are two of the type that sold on CNG for $300 & $325: The coin you and I were watching on Savoca, listed above, simply is inferior in every aspect and sold for more!? You would be wise to sit around and wait on a type as popular and plentiful as these. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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