thenickelguy Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Attractive Crispus BEATA TRANQVILLITAS from the Trier Mint Crispus Altar and Globe A very attractive Fourth Century AD bronze struck for Crispus (317-326 AD) with sharp details, especially on Crispus' bust, and a nice brown patina. The lettering on the altar is weak, but everything else is crisp and clear. (Diameter: 19 mm. Weight: 2.46 grams) OB: Laureate and cuirassed left, spear in right hand, shield in left - IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES REV: Altar inscribed VO / TIS / XX surmounted by globe, three stars above - BEATA TRANQVILLITAS Struck at the Trier mint, this coin has the mint mark PTR dot and is attributed as RIC, Vol. VII, #347. I don't know how true this information is, I wasn't there . . . He was the first-born son of Constantine I. His mother Minervina was either a concubine or a first wife to Constantine. Nothing else is known about Minervina. Constantine I married Fausta, he kept Crispus at his side. Surviving sources are unanimous in declaring him a loving, trusting and protective father to his first son. Crispus was leader in victorious military operations against the Franks and the Alamanni in 318, 320 and 323. Thus he secured the continued Roman presence in the areas of Gaul and Germania. The soldiers adored him thanks to his strategic abilities and the victories to which he had led the Roman legions. Crispus spent the following years assisting Constantine in the war against by then hostile Licinius. In 324, Constantine appointed Crispus as the commander of his fleet which left the port of Piraeus to confront the rival fleet of Licinius. The subsequent Battle of the Hellespont was fought in at the straits of Bosporus. The 200 ships under the command of Crispus managed to utterly beat the enemy forces which were at least double in number. Thus Crispus achieved his most important and difficult victory which further established his reputation as a brilliant soldier and general. Crispus was the most likely choice for an heir to the throne at the time. His siblings Constantine II, Constantius II and Constans were far too young and knew very little on the tasks of an emperor. However, this would never come to be. Fausta, stepmother of Crispus, was extremely jealous of him. She was reportedly afraid that Constantine would put aside the sons she bore him. So, in order to get rid of Crispus, Fausta set him up. She reportedly told the young Caesar that she was in love with him and suggested an illegitimate love affair. Crispus denied the immoral wishes of Fausta and left the palace in a state of shock. Then Fausta said to Constantine that Crispus had no respect for his father, since the Caesar was in love with his father's own wife. She reported to Constantine that she dismissed him after his attempt to rape her. Constantine believed her and, true to his strong personality and short temper, executed his beloved son. A few months later, Constantine reportedly found out the whole truth and then killed Fausta. Fausta In 326, Crispus' life came to a sudden end on his father's orders. He was tried by a local court at Pola, Istria, condemned to death and executed. Soon afterwards, Constantine had his own wife, Fausta, killed. She was drowned in an over-heated bath. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted June 8, 2022 · Patron Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) Very nice, @thenickelguy! I have always enjoyed that reverse type but have never acquired one due to other coins distracting me. This is my favorite Crispus because was a Secret Saturnalia gift from 2018! Crispus, AD 316-326. Roman billon centenionalis, 3.07 g, 19.3 mm, 11 h. Alexandria, AD 325-26. Obv: FL IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, left. Rev: PROVIDEN-TIAE CAESS, two-turreted gateway of military camp, star above; SMALA in exergue. Refs: RIC vii, p. 709, 35; LRBC I 1403; Cohen 125; RCV 16813. Edited June 8, 2022 by Roman Collector 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 CRISPY-CritterRI Crispus 317-326 CE AE Folles Caesar in Trier Campgate - Heraclea mint 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenickelguy Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) I got this one from Finn too! Thanks (That's even your images and pretty much your specifics) Edited June 8, 2022 by thenickelguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 Mine is not nearly as lovely as yours (well done!) but it is nonetheless very special. Who can say why? (Only if you don't remember the coin... 😉) 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsyas Mike Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Nice Crispuses (Crispii?) in this thread. Here are two altar types I have, one from Trier (RIC 374) and another from London: Crispus Æ 20 (322-323 A.D.) Trier Mint IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES Laureate, cuirassed bust left, spear over shoulder & shield / BEATA TRANQVILLITAS altar inscribed VO/TIS/XX, globe and three stars above, •PTR• in exergue. (2.15 grams / 20 mm) RIC VII, 374 Trier eBay Sept. 2017 Crispus Follis (Æ 18) (322-323 A.D.) London Mint CRISPV-S NOBIL [C], laureate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear pointed forwards and shield / BEAT TRA-NQVILLITAS, globe set on altar inscribed VO | TIS |XX, three stars above, F-B across fields, PLON in ex. (2.83 grams / 18 mm) RIC VII Londinium 250. eBay Apr. 2022 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Good write-up. My Crispus coins from the "Duplicate" thread An Alemannia Devicta from Sirmium My only Beata Tranquilitas is also from Trier, but with Constantine II's portrait 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinian Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Here is a Crispus of a type only from Thessalonica. 18 mm. 3.35 grams. VICTORIA CAESS NN RIC VII Thessalonica 62, page 506 "319" I got it last year to fill out the emperor-set for this type: Constantine. 17 mm. VICTORIA AVGG NN (For Constantine and Licinius [below]) RIC VII Thessalonica 59 Constantine II. 19 mm. 2.51 grams. RIC VII Thessalonica 65 Licinius. 19 mm. 2.83 grams. VICTORIA AVGG NN RIC VII Thessalonica 6 It also exists for Licinius II, but I don't have one to show. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 I only have this type for Constantius II, Crispus' brother. Both my coins are from London. The second example is rather lackluster. I'm keeping it nonetheless because of the helmeted bust: Constantine II Iunior, Roman Empire, AE3, 322–323 AD, Londinium mint. Obv: CONSTANTINVS IVN N C, bust of Constantine II, radiate, cuirassed, l. Rev: BEAT TRANQLITAS, globe on altar inscribed VOT/IS/XX; above, three stars; in fields, F-B; in exergue, PLON. 19mm, 3.22g. Ref: RIC VII Londinium 257. Constantine II Iunior, Roman Empire, AE3, 323–324 AD, London mint. Obv: CONSTANTINVS IVN NC; helmeted and cuirassed bust of Constantinus Iunior l. Rev: BEAT TRANQUILITAS; globe on altar with inscription VOTIS XX; mintmark PLON. 19mm, 2.83g. Ref: RIC VII London 287. 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 Hey @Valentinian, it was kind of you not to blow away my local museum piece with your Metropolitan Museum example. 😁 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Steve Posted June 8, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 8, 2022 Hi, the nickelguy => hey, congrats on adding that cool new Crispus globe coin (it's a total winner) Oh, and as always, those are great Crispus thread-additions by the new regulars of this sweet coin-forum ... great coins, gang! Ummm, I only had one Crispus coin, but I always liked it ... Crispus AE3 (below) Date: 320 AD Siscia mint Diameter: 19.4 mm Weight: 3.2 grams Obverse: IVL CRISPVS NOB C - Laureate and cuirassed bust of Crispus, holding spear and shield Reverse: VIRTVS EXERCIT - Two captives at base of Vexillum inscribed VOT X; S / F / HL at sides. ASIS* in exergue References: RIC 123 (r2) Ex-stevex6 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) Cool coin! I've always loved the sorted story of Crispus, the only one of Constantines's kids that wasn't a creep: My globe on altar is Connie himself: And the naughty step mom: Ps, @Severus Alexanderdoes it have to do with the symbol on the shield? Edited June 8, 2022 by Ryro 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ryro said: Ps, @Severus Alexanderdoes it have to do with the symbol on the shield? Sure does! 👍 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 I've always liked the Constantine era campgates. Here's my favorite one of Crispus: Obv: CRISPVS NOB CAES; Laureate bust right Rev: VIRTVS AVGG; Closed-door campgate, P - R across fields; RQ in exergue Ref: RIC VIII Rome 180 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Severus Alexander said: Sure does! 👍 Is that a Ry-ro? Similar to the Chi Rho, the ever allusive Ry-ro is a symbol that distinguishes the religions of sex, drugs & rock n roll nearly 2 milenia before the invent of the electric guitar, electric vibrator and ecstasy! Ps, I owe you a beer @Steve for the laugh that avatar gave me!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinian Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 8, 2022 Crispus, anepigraphic: 18 mm. 1.99 grams. Anepigraphic. Bust left. CRISPVS/CAESAR/SMANTЄ RIC VII Antioch 53 Antioch is by far the most common mint for coins of the anepigraphic series. Crispus, Fausta, and Helena are the three rarest in the series. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Valentinian said: Crispus, anepigraphic: 18 mm. 1.99 grams. Anepigraphic. Bust left. CRISPVS/CAESAR/SMANTЄ RIC VII Antioch 53 Antioch is by far the most common mint for coins of the anepigraphic series. Crispus, Fausta, and Helena are the three rarest in the series. .dang Warren...that one lQQks like an advertisement for a drive in 😄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etcherdude Posted June 9, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2022 22 hours ago, thenickelguy said: Attractive Crispus BEATA TRANQVILLITAS from the Trier Mint Crispus Altar and Globe A very attractive Fourth Century AD bronze struck for Crispus (317-326 AD) with sharp details, especially on Crispus' bust, and a nice brown patina. The lettering on the altar is weak, but everything else is crisp and clear. (Diameter: 19 mm. Weight: 2.46 grams) OB: Laureate and cuirassed left, spear in right hand, shield in left - IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES REV: Altar inscribed VO / TIS / XX surmounted by globe, three stars above - BEATA TRANQVILLITAS Struck at the Trier mint, this coin has the mint mark PTR dot and is attributed as RIC, Vol. VII, #347. I don't know how true this information is, I wasn't there . . . He was the first-born son of Constantine I. His mother Minervina was either a concubine or a first wife to Constantine. Nothing else is known about Minervina. Constantine I married Fausta, he kept Crispus at his side. Surviving sources are unanimous in declaring him a loving, trusting and protective father to his first son. Crispus was leader in victorious military operations against the Franks and the Alamanni in 318, 320 and 323. Thus he secured the continued Roman presence in the areas of Gaul and Germania. The soldiers adored him thanks to his strategic abilities and the victories to which he had led the Roman legions. Crispus spent the following years assisting Constantine in the war against by then hostile Licinius. In 324, Constantine appointed Crispus as the commander of his fleet which left the port of Piraeus to confront the rival fleet of Licinius. The subsequent Battle of the Hellespont was fought in at the straits of Bosporus. The 200 ships under the command of Crispus managed to utterly beat the enemy forces which were at least double in number. Thus Crispus achieved his most important and difficult victory which further established his reputation as a brilliant soldier and general. Crispus was the most likely choice for an heir to the throne at the time. His siblings Constantine II, Constantius II and Constans were far too young and knew very little on the tasks of an emperor. However, this would never come to be. Fausta, stepmother of Crispus, was extremely jealous of him. She was reportedly afraid that Constantine would put aside the sons she bore him. So, in order to get rid of Crispus, Fausta set him up. She reportedly told the young Caesar that she was in love with him and suggested an illegitimate love affair. Crispus denied the immoral wishes of Fausta and left the palace in a state of shock. Then Fausta said to Constantine that Crispus had no respect for his father, since the Caesar was in love with his father's own wife. She reported to Constantine that she dismissed him after his attempt to rape her. Constantine believed her and, true to his strong personality and short temper, executed his beloved son. A few months later, Constantine reportedly found out the whole truth and then killed Fausta. Fausta In 326, Crispus' life came to a sudden end on his father's orders. He was tried by a local court at Pola, Istria, condemned to death and executed. Soon afterwards, Constantine had his own wife, Fausta, killed. She was drowned in an over-heated bath. Dysfunctional families in antiquity. At least humanity is consistent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 9, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Ryro said: Is that a Ry-ro? Similar to the Chi Rho, the ever allusive Ry-ro is a symbol that distinguishes the religions of sex, drugs & rock n roll nearly 2 milenia before the invent of the electric guitar, electric vibrator and ecstasy! 😆 Sadly I lack the excessively rare* Ry-Rho variety! 😔 I just have the extremely rare Chi-Rho variety instead, showing the symbol on the shield just as Eusebius reports from the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. (Eusebius isn't actually clear whether it's a chi-rho or some other symbol, so this coin helps us interpret that famous bit of text!) Interestingly, Lactantius (the famous early Christian writer and advisor to Constantine) was Crispus's tutor in Trier. The coin was issued in 322-23... that's 5 years before the famous Constantine SPES PVBLIC issue (with the labarum and serpent), and so one of the very earliest Christian symbols on a coin. See @Valentinian's excellent page here for details. This coin may in fact be the most historically significant one in my collection, judging by 1) the importance of the relevant events, 2) how much the coin helps us interpret them, and 3) how rare it is (there are only a handful known - the best one being @Valentinian's that you can see on his page I linked. Wow, what a coin!!) * (Note: this is the only context in which "excessively rare" is an acceptable numismatic term. It means the same as "non-existent.") Edited June 9, 2022 by Severus Alexander 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted June 9, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) @thenickelguy, I think your Trier coin is RIC VII nr 372. Like this one: Same discription as your coin ( .STR. ) . ( STR. ) = RIC VII nr 347 Here 2 different campgate coins from CRISPUS C-RISPUSNOBCAES VIRTU-SAVGG closed doors 3 turrets 6 layers mm : P/R// RT bust : G8L RIC VII 180 missing for mm T other gate shape CR-ISPUSNOBCAES VIRTU-SAVGG OPEN DOORS 3 TURRETS 6 LAYERS mm : P/R//RS bust : G8L RIC VII 171 Edited June 9, 2022 by mc9 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted June 9, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 9, 2022 10 hours ago, Severus Alexander said: I just have the extremely rare Chi-Rho variety instead, showing the symbol on the shield just as Eusebius reports from the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. (Eusebius isn't actually clear whether it's a chi-rho or some other symbol, so this coin helps us interpret that famous bit of text!) Well, I'm not sure that it does! The clearest description of what was supposedly drawn on the/some shields comes from Lactantius , who as you say was tutor to Crispus, and therefore in a much better position to know than Eusebius (who only met Constantine on a couple of occasions long after the event, and suffers from revisionism). Lactantius's description, from De Mortibus Persecutorum, translates approximately as "the letter X on it's side, with the top bent over". Some english translations completely butcher this and turn it into a description of a Chi-Rho since that's what they believe Lactantius must have been talking about! If we take Lactantius' description at face value, then it sounds much more like an open Tau-Rho, which we also see on some coins, such as on this Aeterna Pietas type from Lyons. There's also a very interesting steelyard weight depicting Constantine that has this same symbol on the shield: Here's how these were used - as a movable weight on a steelyard scale, similar to how the scales at the doctor's office works: What's interesting about this steelyard weight is that it seems to be quite historically accurate in that the shield also features the horned design of the germanic Cornuti army unit who appear to have been present at the battle of Milvian Bridge as attested by a soldier with the same horned shield design appearing on the arch of Constantine in Rome. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted June 10, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 10, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 11:30 AM, BBA said: Ref: RIC VIII Rome 180 But not exactly, of course ! This is unlisted with B5 bust for Crispus instead of his expected G8L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted June 10, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 10, 2022 I have only one Crispus: Crispus Caesar (son of Constantine I), Billon reduced Centenionalis, Arelate [Arles] Mint (3rd Officina) 321 AD. Obv. Laureate bust right, CRISPUS NOB CAES / Rev. VOT • V in three lines within laurel wreath, CAESARVM NOSTRORVM. In exergue: T [Crescent] A. RIC VII Arles 235 (p. 260), Sear RCV IV 16747, Cohen 30. 20 mm., 2.73 g. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted June 10, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Heliodromus said: On 6/8/2022 at 9:00 PM, Severus Alexander said: I just have the extremely rare Chi-Rho variety instead, showing the symbol on the shield just as Eusebius reports from the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. (Eusebius isn't actually clear whether it's a chi-rho or some other symbol, so this coin helps us interpret that famous bit of text!) Well, I'm not sure that it does! Excellent stuff, @Heliodromus, thank you!! The moveable weight is fascinating... do you know what range of dates it has been assigned to, based on find location etc.? I dragged out the Lactantius passage for those who know how to read Latin (@Roman Collector, talking to you - any thoughts?) : [4] Imminebat dies quo Maxentius imperium ceperat, qui est a.d. sextum Kalendas Novembres, et quinquennalia terminabantur. [5] Commonitus est in quiete Constantinus, ut caeleste signum dei notaret in scutis atque ita proelium committeret. Facit ut iussus est et transversa X littera, summo capite circumflexo, Christum in scutis notat. Since my experience with Latin was one course decades ago and I promptly forgot it all, the best I can do is plop it into Google translate: [4] The day was threatening when Maxentius had taken the command, which is a.d. On November 6, and five years were terminated. [5] Constantine was warned in quiet, that he might mark the heavenly sign of God on his shields, and thus engage in battle. He does as he was ordered and crosses the letter X, with a head circumflexed at the top, and marks Christ on the shields. I don't know if Google is just canning some known translation, but I don't think that's how it works... and this translation sounds more like a chi-rho than yours does. Not that I'm saying their translation is better! But the issue does seem clearly... foggy? In any case, what I should have meant (did I? maybe not!) by "this coin helps us interpret that famous bit of text" is: it's a relevant piece of evidence. It certainly doesn't solve it! But given the early time of production and the the presence of Crispus & Lactantius in Trier it at least provides an important data point in favour of the chi-rho rather than a tau-rho or some other symbol. And certainly helps support the notion that the whole idea wasn't just made up later too, which is important. Just to post a related coin, here's a weird one I've rarely shown and will take the excuse: It's a Constans as Augustus VICTORIAE DD AVGGQ NN, struck in the late 340s, which has been unofficially overstruck with a very Christian looking (latin) cross. The cross was not widely used as a Christian symbol until after the chi-rho. So I find this coin to be quite intriguing! It was found in Norfolk in 1990, and came to me via @Valentinian, ex Ex Dan Clark, ex Byzantium (Fitling Grange, Fitling, Yorkshire). I'd be grateful for any reflections on it. Looking at the photo with fresh eyes I suppose it could actually be a tau-rho, though I don't think so... I will have to grab it from the bank and have another look. Edited June 10, 2022 by Severus Alexander 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted June 10, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Severus Alexander said: transversa X littera, summo capite circumflexo It'd certainly be useful to hear how a Latin expert would translate this as opposed to Google, but obviously it basically says something like "transverse letter X, with the top circumflexed". So it comes down to what is the most accurate translation of transversa (without being biased to want to make the description be that of a Chi Rho - does transversa really mean "with a vertical line through it" ?). Of course there's no doubt the Chi-Rho was already in use by this date, so that's not the issue - just a matter of historical accuracy in terms of what Lactantius had described to him and may be reflected on that steelyard weight shield. From a purely realistic point of view, it seems more likely that something like what we see on the steelyard weight is what was actually done, regardless of whether the symbol was a Ch-Rho, Tau-Rho or similar. The army units would each have had their own shield designs (see Notitia Dignitatum) and any inscribed/painted symbol wold have been something added to that. It's hard to imagine Constantine's army, camped outside of Rome, trundling off to home depot for spray paint to completely repaint their shields before battle. 🙂 The weight is believed to date to 5th-7thC. The Cornuti link between the weight and the arch of Constantantine is discussed in the paper "Cornuti: A Teutonic Contingent in the Service of Constantine the Great and Its Decisive Role in the Battle at the Milvian Bridge. With a Discussion of Bronze Statuettes of Constantine the Great" available on JSTOR (free account required). https://www.jstor.org/stable/1291132?seq=1 Finally we should note that the coin being discussed is of Crispus, not Constantine, and this shield design is just one of very many (including Medusa, etc) that we see on these coins. I wouldn't care to read more into it than the mint knowing/assuming that Crispus would be OK with having a Chi-Rho in the mix. Edited June 10, 2022 by Heliodromus typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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