antwerpen2306 Posted June 7, 2022 · Member Posted June 7, 2022 I have posted all my coins for Metapontum, so I prefer to create a new topic for the Greek coins from Magna Graecia. The first is an incusum stater from Krotoon : obverse : tripod terminating in lion's feet, a heron to right, inscription : OPQ (koppa) = KRO reverse : tripod incusum period : ca 480-430 BC, 23 mm, 8.06 gr, 12 h. reference : HNItaly2102,var, SNGAns257, BMCItaly18 Please, show your coins from Magna Graecia, albert 19 2 Quote
kapphnwn Posted June 7, 2022 · Supporter Posted June 7, 2022 Ar Nomos of Kroton 400-375 BC Obv Head of Hera Lakinia facing slightly right wearing stephane decorated with palmets Rv Herakles leaning left HN 2167 7.71 grms 22 mm Photo by W. Hansen This coin was one of the many that were influenced by the 3/4 facing heads that had just been issued out of Syracuse. These images set at a slight angle from facing have to be the most difficult to execute properly and it is a testament to the skill of the engravers at Kroton and the other civic engravers as well to have willingly accepted the challenge. 22 4 1 Quote
Brennos Posted June 7, 2022 · Member Posted June 7, 2022 stunning @kapphnwn !! One of my favorite bronze coin is from Rhegion Bruttium, Rhegium. Bronze circa 351-280, Æ 11.72 g. Lion's mask facing. Rev. PHΓINΩN Laureate head of Apollo r.; behind, leaf. SNG ANS 687. Historia Numorum Italy 2534a. ---------------- And the first coin minted in occident : Bruttium, Sybaris 540-530 BC, Stater 7,77g Spagnoli group A1 19 Quote
Alegandron Posted June 7, 2022 · Supporter Posted June 7, 2022 AR and AECampania Neapolis 320-300 BC AR Didrachm Nomos Nymph AchelousCampania, Neapolis,c. 275-250 BCE;AE (g 4,99; mm 18; h 6);NEOΠOΛITΩN, laureate head of Apollo l.; r., Θ,Rv. Man-faced bull advancing r. crowned by flying Nike, below IΣ.Sambon 663; HNItaly 589; SNG Copenhagen -; SNG ANS 474.Beautiful light green patinaPLATE COIN - Listed Potamikon pg 232 Plate 343 10 Quote
Alegandron Posted June 7, 2022 · Supporter Posted June 7, 2022 Bruttium Lokroi Eizephyrioi 300-268 BC AE 23 Athena Pegasus Bruttium Rhegion 415-387 BCE AE 11mm 2.46g Facing lion hd - Laureate hd of Apollo L SNG ANS 697 var 10 Quote
Benefactor rNumis Posted June 8, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Posted June 8, 2022 This is my Litra from Eryx. Tiny little thing - 0.63g. Quite scarce, and how can you not like those Sicilian crabs?! (sorry for the poor image...I really need to work on a better photography setup 🙂). 17 Quote
Di Nomos Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Posted June 8, 2022 I have several coins from Sicily & Italy, but will show what I consider the prettiest. It is a stater from Terina in Bruttium, struck c. 380 - 340 BC. Nymph Terina on the obv. & Nike holding a dove on the rev. Both sides are very attractive. This coin was in Ancient Joe's collection, and I'm using his excellent photo. And if it was worth residing in his collection for a while, it is certainly worth a permanent home in mine. 19 2 1 Quote
Ursus Posted June 8, 2022 · Supporter Posted June 8, 2022 That's a nice example of a Kroton stater, @antwerpen2306. It's noteworthy that the tripod on these likely is a reference to the Delphic Oracle. According to the founding myth of Kroton, this oracle advised the city’s founding father Myscellus to establish a settlement in Italy. Here is my example, which unfortunately misses much of the bird: Bruttium, Kroton, AR nomos, ca. 480–430 BC. Obv: retrograde ϘPO; tripod with legs terminating in lion’s feet; to left, heron standing r. Rev: incuse tripod with central pellet. 18mm, 7.92g. Ref: HN Italy 2102; SNG ANS 261-2. Ex Teutoburger 138, lot 856 (part of); ex Albrecht&Hoffmann, auction XXIV, lot 67. (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-delphic-oracle-and-pythagorean-numerology-a-tripod-stater-from-kroton.387373/) Bruttium, Croton, AR nomos, ca. 480–430 BC. Obv: retrograde ϘPO; tripod with legs terminating in lion’s feet; to left, heron standing r. Rev: incuse tripod with central pellet. 18mm, 7.92g. Ref: HN Italy 2102; SNG ANS 261-2. Ex Teutoburger 138, lot 856 (part of); ex Albrecht&Hoffmann, auction XXIV, lot 67. 13 Quote
antwerpen2306 Posted June 8, 2022 · Member Author Posted June 8, 2022 @Brennos exceptional coin. I have a 1/3 stater, but not so nice as yours. The name of Sybaris is in the exergue : YM , retrogade and the sigma reclined (exact?) as on jours. Seizes : 18 mm, 2.21 gr Ref : HNItaly,1736 Sybaris was the oldest and most famous of the Peloponnesean colonies in Magna Graecia and founded ca 709 BC (Eusebios). Sybaris would have existed 210 years (Pseudo-Scymnos) and has been destroyes in 511/510 BC. So the date, given by Eusebios looks correct. The town was situated between yhe Crathis en the Sybaris river, which give the name and has been destroyed by Krotoon, the inhabitants flying to Laos and Skidros, two foundations of Sybaris as was Poseidonia. albert PS : how to write the Greek characters ? 13 Quote
Benefactor rNumis Posted June 9, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Posted June 9, 2022 This is hefty coin that I got last year from Roma. Quite a contrast to the tiny Eryx litra I showed earlier. APULIA | Luceria - Cast Quincunx 217-212 BC Æ 42.32g HGC 601 (S), Vecchi 2013 345 ex Roma Numismatics E-Sale 91 (December 2021), lot 60 (sorry again for the bad image...I'll retake all these at some point) 13 Quote
antwerpen2306 Posted June 9, 2022 · Member Author Posted June 9, 2022 @rNumis beautiful coin, I am looking for a casted coin, but was not lucky till now and I have no coins of Apulia to show. IMO the imag is good, I could not do it better, so.. As I have no coin from Apulia, I show a coin of an unknow town : Phistelia in Campania. obverse : facing male head reverse : dolphin, barlain grain and mussel shell, oskian inscription period : 325-275 BC sizes : 11 mm, 032 grn 12 h ref : HNItaly613, Sambon 831. albert 11 1 Quote
Benefactor rNumis Posted June 9, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) Hi @antwerpen2306 That's really very nice! I've always wanted one of these. In my ongoing sweep through the earlier 20th C auctions, I've found 22 plated examples of coins from Phistelia so far. You can see them here: Phistelia at rNumis Over half of those 22 are the much heavier didrachms, I suppose because they sell for much bigger $, and back then it would have been an easier decision to photograph them. Edited June 9, 2022 by rNumis Prettier link text Quote
antwerpen2306 Posted June 10, 2022 · Member Author Posted June 10, 2022 Thanks @rNumis very interesting, I will also try to do a sweep, very intersting but it takes a lot of time, I think and I am only 1 week on two at home in Antwerp. Staying in Campania, two staters from Neapolis obverse : head of the nymph Parthenope reverse : a bull with a head of a man, a flying Mike with a crown on top, at left of Parthenope, an image of Artemis Phosphoros with a torch in every hand, under the head : APTEMI on the reverse : N between the legs and Neopoliton in exergue. HNItaly 579, 20 mm, 7.3 gr, 6h. 320-275 BC HNItaly 586, 21 mm, 5,12 gr, 2 h. 275-250 BC. albert 10 1 Quote
kapphnwn Posted June 10, 2022 · Supporter Posted June 10, 2022 Sybaris Ar Nomos 550-510 BC Obv Bull standing left head reverted. Rv The same incuse and facing right, HN 1729 7.13 grms 27 mm Photo by W. Hansen Sybaris is given credit for the initiating the _incusum" or spread flan nomoi. The city fell as a result of one of the many epidemic wars the plagued the region as the various Greek city states located on the southern Italian coastline fought each other for dominance. 14 1 1 Quote
antwerpen2306 Posted June 11, 2022 · Member Author Posted June 11, 2022 @kapphnwn beautiful coin, this coin and that of @Brennos are some of the most beautiful I have seen. albert Quote
antwerpen2306 Posted June 11, 2022 · Member Author Posted June 11, 2022 two AE 19 coins from Neapolis with the head of Apolloon and the classical reverse, dated 275-250 BC. 12 Quote
AncientJoe Posted June 11, 2022 · Member Posted June 11, 2022 Here are two of my favorites, stealing the auction descriptions as I haven't had a chance to do a proper writeup in a long time: Tetradrachm circa 300-280, AR 17.29 g. PHΓINOΣ Laureate head of Apollo l., long hair falling in curls over neck. Rev. Lion's head facing. SNG ANS 676. Historia Numorum Italy 2501 (these dies). SNG Lloyd 700 (these dies). AMB 229 (these dies). Herzfelder 115bis. Historia Numorum Italy 2501. Ex NAC sale 8, 1995, 115. Perhaps during the 290's, but conceivably a decade before, Agathocles of Syracuse was involved in a poorly recorded campaign in Bruttium in which he captured Hipponium and Croton. Rhegium, as an ancient enemy of Syracuse, which had burnt Rhegium nearly two centuries before, should have been involved in some way. Our coin seems closely related to certain issues from Syracuse and Punic Sicily, and moreover depicts the solar deity Apollo and a lion, which, although the emblems of the city since time immemorial, seem singularly appropriate to the typology favoured by the tyrants of the new hellenistic world. These splendid dies could well have been engraved by the master who cut the best dies of the Agathocles Kore coinage and perhaps also those of the vastly rare Ptolemaic-type gold stater of the same ruler. BRUTTIUM, Kroton. Circa 400-325 BC. AR Nomos (20mm, 7.70 g, 11h). Head of Apollo right, wearing laurel wreath; KPOTΩNIA-TAΣ around / The Herakliskos Drakonopnigon: the Infant Herakles, nude, crouching facing on rock, head left, strangling a serpent in each hand. Attianese 163 (this coin illustrated and enlarged); HN Italy 2157; SNG ANS 386 (same dies); SNG Lloyd 617–8; Basel 199; Dewing 513; Gulbenkian 132–3; Jameson 433–4; Kraay & Hirmer 271; de Luynes 735 (same dies). From the Gasvoda Collection, purchased from Numismatica Ars Classica. Ex Gorny & Mosch 219 (10 March 2014), lot 19; Giessener Münzhandlung 55 (14 May 1991), lot 30. From the consignor: The reverse type, the infant Herakles strangling two serpents, is highly artistic and was struck during a time of superbly talented engravers working at the main coin-producing cities of Magna Graecia. This is a rare type and certainly among the best survivors of those coins. The father of Herakles was Zeus, who had impregnated Herakles's mortal mother, Alkmene. Hera was naturally unhappy with the impending birth and had two serpents placed in the crib of the infant Herakles. Being the son of Zeus, the babe easily strangled them. 14 3 6 1 Quote
dougsmit Posted June 14, 2022 · Member Posted June 14, 2022 Sybaris before the 510 BC destruction also issued minor silver fractions that are many times more scarce than the larger nomos denomination. My favorite one has the old style MY (sigma upsilon) monogram and four dots which struke me as a trias denomination indicator but that is not always consistent with the prevailing view among experts. CNG called it an obol which I can not accept. I am no fan of forcing Athenian names on coins of other cities unless there is some evidence suggesting that is correct. There are other coins with other dot patterns so the truth is that I have no idea what to call the 0.25g little coin. My somewhat worn nomos weighs 7.07g which would make the smaller coin 1/28 of it. I have no idea how the system worked below the one third as shown above by antwerpen2306. Much later but still a favorite of mine is the 420-400 BC, 7.4g AR 'stater' of Kroton featuring an eagle on deer head. In this game, coins that late are almost 'modern'. 😁 13 Quote
Benefactor Steve Posted June 14, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Great coins, Mentor ... actually, all the coins have been amazing (great coin-effort!) Ummm, Magna Graecia, eh? ... here are a few of my old examples BRUTTIUM, Rhegion. AR Litra (below) Circa 445-435 BC Diameter: 13 mm Weight: 0.71 grams Obverse: Facing lion’s scalp Reverse: RECI within wreath Reference: Herzfelder p. 89, B; HN Italy 2485 Other: 3h … toned, some porosity Ex-stevex6 … from the collection of a Southern Pathologist. Ex Antioch Associates CAMPANIA, Cales, Æ20 (below) Circa 265-240 BC Diameter: 19.5 mm Weight: 7.29 grams Obverse: Laureate head of Apollo left; [uncertain symbol to right] Reverse: Man-headed bull standing right, head facing; star above, [uncertain symbol or letter below] Reference: HN Italy 436 Other: 5h … green-brown patina Ex-stevex6 … from the Camerata Romeu Collection Italy Campania Teanum Sidicinum Æ20 (below) Date: 265-240 BC Diameter: 20.5 mm Weight: 7.05 grams Obverse: Helmeted head of Athena left Reverse: TIANO, Rooster standing right, star behind Reference: SNG ANS 626 Other: a splendid example from a rare city. Ex-stevex6 Edited June 14, 2022 by Steve 13 Quote
Alegandron Posted June 14, 2022 · Supporter Posted June 14, 2022 Campania CAPUA AE 14-5mm 216-211 Hera Oscan Grain ear Hannibal capital Italia SNG Fr 517 SNG ANS 219 HN Italy 500 EE Clain StefanelliCampania CAPUA AE Uncia 216-211 BCE Diana Boar Hannibal capital Italia SCARCECampania CAPUA AE Semuncia 216-211 BCE Juno Xoanon Hannibal capital Italia SCARCE 9 Quote
ambr0zie Posted June 14, 2022 · Member Posted June 14, 2022 One for me 5.70 g 19.04 mm Campania, Suessa Aurunca 268 – 240 BC OBV:Laureate head of Apollo left, O at right REV: SVESANO, Man-headed bull, Nike flying above, crowning bull with laurel branch or wreath. SNG ANS 606, SNG Cop. 586 9 Quote
antwerpen2306 Posted June 17, 2022 · Member Author Posted June 17, 2022 I did not know that this part of Greek coins had so many collectors. I have never seen so many so beautiful coins as here, thanks. albert 3 Quote
antwerpen2306 Posted June 18, 2022 · Member Author Posted June 18, 2022 two other coins from Krotoon : first a triobol with Pagasos on the reverse, ca 480-440 BC HNItaly 2127. and a stater, ca 350-300 BC, HNItaly 2172. albert 11 Quote
NewStyleKing Posted June 18, 2022 · Member Posted June 18, 2022 Besides being the spawn of Greece these colonies of various city states inherited the feuds of their originators. If you stood still you were attacked and annihilated. Also the natives didn't like you, nor the phoenicians, latins and co hated you, so you were most likely constantly in a situation of almost perpetual warfare. Warfare meant spending, spending meant silver and that all begat coins. The quality of Magna Grecia die cutting was way beyond that of the base originators usually. Probably as a source of pride. Sicily was almost in continually at war, with outsiders and itself. The tetradrachm coinages of the major cities are common and similar without being the same. They are very common. Although reasonable examples are not too expensive, Magna Greece coins are premium products and are always in the top prices paid. NSK=John 4 Quote
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