ambr0zie Posted June 6, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 6, 2022 Every ancient coin is different, even the ones having the same reference number. Dies can be different, wear levels can be very different, toning... To clarify - I am not talking about similar coins (same obverse/reverse but different year or different mintmark. It is very unlikely (although I have seen cases) for a collector to have a double die match in the collection (although I have seen this happening, I know @dougsmit owns 2 Julia Domna denarii, double die match). However, when not a double die match, you can consider the coins non duplicates... or not fully duplicates. I checked my personal catalogue to see what coins I have with the same reference numbers. They were not bought on purpose (I never felt the need to upgrade my coins. In 2 occasions the pairs were in the same lots; the 3rd one was from a lot, doubling one from an older lot. The 4th was so different in style that I can consider them different coins (although I initially thought they are from different mints) So here goes Both - Crispus AE follis.. 320-321 AD. IVL CRISPVS NOB C, laureate head right / CAESARVM NOSTRORVM around laurel wreath containing VOT V. Mintmark ASIS star. RIC VII Siscia 161. Same mintmark and same catalogue entry (not exactly visible in my pics, I should probably take newer pics. Wasn't particularly happy with the situation (they were in my first even ancients purchase) but it wasn't a disaster. One coin identified for free, since I was a total beginner 🙂 -------------- In the same auction I bought a lot of 8 denarii. I was eagerly expecting them - I still like denarii more than any other denomination. Found 2 Vespasian denarii being duplicates .... but wasn't very bothered. Initially I thought there were 3 of them, and that would have been a slight issue. Vespasian (69-79) Denarius AD 75 Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG, laureate head right. PON MAX TR P COS VI Type: Pax, naked to waist, seated left, holding branch extended in right hand, left hand in lap RIC 772 "False duplicate" - as a total beginner, at first glance I couldn't see the difference between the 2 denarii and this one, until I noticed the clockwise legend (I found this very interesting as I didn't know legends can be written on coins in both ways) plus the reverse showing the same Pax but with a caduceus. ---------- The third one - I am not even sure if it is a duplicate. The first entry is my first denarius, from the first lot (described as "Roman Bronze"). I was extremely happy to have a hidden denarius there. Although I knew it was cheap, holding a denarius (and with Trajan's portrait, very important for me!) was one of the best numismatic feelings. The second (sad fact - wear level is low, but the coin is badly damaged) came in a lot I bought a few months later. Obverse IMP CAES NER TRAIANO OPTIMO AVG GER DAC: Bust of Trajan, laureate, draped, right Reverse P M TR P COS VI P P S P Q R FORT RED: Fortuna, draped, veiled, seated left on chair without back, holding rudder set on ground in right hand and cornucopiae in left RIC II Trajan 318 ----------------- The last is my favorite. Julia Domna AR Denarius. Rome, AD 193-196. IVLIA DOMNA AVG, b of Julia Domna, hair waved and coiled at back, draped, right / VENERI VICTR, Venus, with drapery falling below hips, standing with back turned, head right, holding apple in extended right hand and palm sloped to the left in left hand, resting left elbow on column RIC IV Septimius Severus 536 (denarius), RSC 194 Duplicate? technically yes. but I consider them different coins. Reverses are clearly different styles, the second shows a zombified Domna, and overall a different aspect. Both were bought as individual purchases and - as a coincidence - from the same auction house, but I don't usually buy from them. It just happened. Do you have examples in your collection? Let's see them, and perhaps with the reason for the purchase. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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