Sulla80 Posted December 24, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) Roman republican denarii are pretty easy to attribute - for most types, there are lots of them, and there's been a lot of research dedicated to them including the use of hoard evidence to refine dates. Today it is not difficult to identify a date of issue and responsible moneyer. The coin from Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio, 47-46 BC. AR Denarius, Rome Obv: Q•METEL PIVS Laureate head of Jupiter to right Rev: SCIPIO / IMP Elephant advancing right Ref: Babelon (Caecilia) 47. Crawford 459/1. RBW 1601. Sydenham 1046 My coin of interest today is not quite as easy to attribute. the portrait on this coin interested me - it looked a bit different from others that I have seen and the portrait style reminded me of these Roman coins of in the name of Seleucid Philip I Philadelphos: Syria, Seleucis and Pieria, Antiochia ad Orontem, Q. Caecilius Bassus, rebel governor, 46/5 BC, AR tetradrachm in the name of Philip I Philadelphos of Syria, recognizing the era of Julius Caesar, minted 46/5 BC, Year 4 of the Caesarean Era The first problem: many rulers issued coins with a bust of Ptolemy I right on the obverse, and a reverse with an eagle standing left on thunderbolt. so the name Ptolemy Basileos (King) doesn't reveal much. Option A The auctioneer labelled this coin as Cleopatra III and Ptolemy IX: Option B The previous owner had considered the coin Ptolemy VIII Option C Svoronos in his book on the subject published 1904-1908 (still a primary reference book over 100 years later) considered this coin Cleopatra VII with her son Caesarion, aka Ptolemy XV, son of Julius Caesar. Auction listings can be helpful in sorting out attributions - and a quick search for "ptolemy tetradrachm Z" turns up this coin. Instead of adding evidence for one of the above it adds another option: Option D This coin from CNG is attributed to Ptolemy XII Neos Dyonysos father to Cleopatra VII. The books from Catherine Lorber for Ptolemaic Coins (Coins of the Ptolemaic Empire or CPE) have not been published yet for the later kings. See the online reference: https://numismatics.org/pco/ A check on wildwinds for a similar coin comes up empty: Ptolemy XII is missing a coin dated IZ (year 7 coin) https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/egypt/ptolemy_XII/t.html Under Cleopatra VII nothing relevant https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/egypt/cleopatra_VII/t.html Under Ptolemy IX there is a reference to a year 7 coin : Svoronos 1668 Under Ptolemy VIII no similar coin or year 7 Option E This just adds another PTolemy to the realm of possibility: Ptolemy X and under Ptolemy X no year 7 shows up. So where does one go from here? Is this Ptolemy VIII, IX, X, XII, XV, or still something else? Perhaps the Numisforum crowd can help. Edited December 24, 2022 by Sulla80 6 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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