ominus1 Posted October 13, 2022 · Patron Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) ...oh you know the story... haha...well, i got a new coin ...not to mention a roller coaster of emotions 😄 i've been wanting one of these forever...so long that i couldn't believe i got one for that price...and i was searching for a nero coin for someone else here...good karma with a bad nerve or two Nero Temple of Janus 24.5mm, 9.76gms PAST AWAY PEEPS! 🙂 Edited October 14, 2022 by ominus1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted October 13, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2022 🤷♂️can't see what's happening with the coin?....Is it tooled? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 13, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, Spaniard said: 🤷♂️can't see what's happening with the coin?....Is it tooled? its a copy that's been nicked and chinged with the face mostly removed because the copy is made with Nero's face smaller...he ain't no Carl Becker 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay GT4 Posted October 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 Can you post better pics? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 14, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Spaniard said: 🤷♂️can't see what's happening with the coin?....Is it tooled? .....i don't know...you tell me...it weighs about right at 9.76gm 24mm...maybe its legit and i'm just in need of a valium..and some crow...:P 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay GT4 Posted October 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 Looks like a perfectly legitimate over cleaned, worn coin to me. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 14, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jay GT4 said: Looks like a perfectly legitimate over cleaned, worn coin to me. ...yup.. me too...now...i had already convinced myself it was a copy...i would blame this on old age, but that's BS...i've been like this for years, just not lately...^^ thanks for ringin' in..:) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted October 14, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Looks A OK to me my dude. Rather pleasant patina despite some overcleaning from years ago. Edited October 14, 2022 by Ryro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted October 14, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jay GT4 said: Looks like a perfectly legitimate over cleaned, worn coin to me. I was thinking the same...But we're working from slightly blurred photos..@ominus1 you have the coin in hand so really it's your shout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted October 14, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2022 Ps, I'd recommend taking the sellers name off the title, as this appears to be a misunderstanding of sorts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted October 14, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Hold the phones. Now that I'm seeing this sellers inventory, I do believe he is selling knock offs! https://www.ebay.com/itm/115548233093?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_qHO4ww2Snu&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=_1v8MZbJQpa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY His reviews say as much Edited October 14, 2022 by Ryro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 14, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ryro said: Hold the phones. Now that I'm seeing this sellers inventory, I do believe he is selling knock offs! https://www.ebay.com/itm/115548233093?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_qHO4ww2Snu&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=_1v8MZbJQpa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY His reviews say as much ..there's pitting on the obverse of this one too!......ah, idk... whatdya think?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay GT4 Posted October 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 The one bad review he has is for this coin! I've never had an issue with this seller. Doesn't mean a bad coin couldn't slip through but no alarm bells for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 14, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 ..well, regardless of what it is its mine now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edessa Posted October 14, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2022 I have a similar coin that someone gifted me many years ago. But this one has an atypical color, a very flat hammered flan and a casting seam. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted October 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 The coin and most of the ones he has on eBay strike me as terrible examples shown in poor photos making it had to say whether they are real or not. However, real or fake makes no difference to me here. I see nothing there that I would consider worth the postage let alone cost of the coin. We each must decide just how bad is too bad to consider. I have coins in my collection that are this bad but they tend to be very rare, something in my specialty or date back when I was new enough that I did not know better. Today many people will only have mint state coins and I am not one but ask yourself if you really want this level or would pay a bit more for one just a bit prettier. Overall I believe his ID's seem correct. The Nero Janus is a special favorite of mine. This one if far from high grade but appealed to me with the temple facing left. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Richardson Posted October 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 My first Nero. $107 in 2005. I suspect this coin would cost a lot more than that today. Note Doug Smith quoted in the notes. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsyas Mike Posted October 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 Wow, this post made me nervous, @ominus1 😓 The reason being I just bought something off this seller in August. Here it is - he didn't know what it was, but I recognized the Apollo Salutari type of Trebonianus Gallus - unique to that emperor and thought to be connected to one of the horrible plagues afflicting the empire at that time. The flan is very square and underweight, but I really liked how it looked otherwise, and it was dirt cheap. In hand, I was quite pleased with it, despite all the missing legends. Trebonianus Gallus Æ Sestertius (251-253 A.D.) Rome Mint 6th Officina, 4th emission [IMP CAE(S) C VIB(IVS) T]RE[B(ONIANVS) GALLVS AVG], laureate, draped and cuirassed bust r. / [APOLLO SALV]TARI, S-C, Apollo standing left holding branch and leaning on lyre set on rock. (11.74 grams / 24 x 21 mm) eBay Aug. 2022 (Spain) $14.40 Attribution: Based on more intact die-matches (which see): RIC IV 104a (sestertius); Banti 6; Cohen 21. RIC 103: APOLL SALVT... RIC 104a: APOLLO SALVT... "APOLLO instead of APOLL. This type is much rarer." "Four Bad Years" Note: not sure of this; quite a few on acsearch (see die-matches) Attribution Notes: Despite low weight, probably a sestertius based on bust and Apollo size: RIC 103: Long obverse legend with APOLL reverse. No As. RIC 104a: Long obverse legend, with APOLLO; Sest. and As. RIC 104b: Short obverse legend, with APOLLO; Sest. and As. Die-Match Characteristics: Obv.: Large, upwards ties. Rev.: Detailed lyre; S large, C small, at corner of lyre; narrow A, sloppy R in SALVTARI. Obverse (?) and Reverse: CNG, Inc. Auction 94; Lot 1193; 18.09.2013 Reverse only: CNG, Inc. Elec. Auction 286; Lot 370; 05.09.2012 Baldwin's Auction 100; Lot 847; 27.09.2016 This post made me question it, although looking at the seller's other auctions, I didn't see too many red flags. So I decided to do an acsearch for die-matches and found a few likely candidates - I am never entirely sure about die-matches on ancients, but here are some I found (obv./rev. and a rev. only) - these always make me feel a bit more secure when it comes to authenticity: So, I like your OP, and it doesn't look fake to me, at least in the usual Bulgarian pressed way that you see all over. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 14, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marsyas Mike said: Wow, this post made me nervous, @ominus1 😓 The reason being I just bought something off this seller in August. Here it is - he didn't know what it was, but I recognized the Apollo Salutari type of Trebonianus Gallus - unique to that emperor and thought to be connected to one of the horrible plagues afflicting the empire at that time. The flan is very square and underweight, but I really liked how it looked otherwise, and it was dirt cheap. In hand, I was quite pleased with it, despite all the missing legends. Trebonianus Gallus Æ Sestertius (251-253 A.D.) Rome Mint 6th Officina, 4th emission [IMP CAE(S) C VIB(IVS) T]RE[B(ONIANVS) GALLVS AVG], laureate, draped and cuirassed bust r. / [APOLLO SALV]TARI, S-C, Apollo standing left holding branch and leaning on lyre set on rock. (11.74 grams / 24 x 21 mm) eBay Aug. 2022 (Spain) $14.40 Attribution: Based on more intact die-matches (which see): RIC IV 104a (sestertius); Banti 6; Cohen 21. RIC 103: APOLL SALVT... RIC 104a: APOLLO SALVT... "APOLLO instead of APOLL. This type is much rarer." "Four Bad Years" Note: not sure of this; quite a few on acsearch (see die-matches) Attribution Notes: Despite low weight, probably a sestertius based on bust and Apollo size: RIC 103: Long obverse legend with APOLL reverse. No As. RIC 104a: Long obverse legend, with APOLLO; Sest. and As. RIC 104b: Short obverse legend, with APOLLO; Sest. and As. Die-Match Characteristics: Obv.: Large, upwards ties. Rev.: Detailed lyre; S large, C small, at corner of lyre; narrow A, sloppy R in SALVTARI. Obverse (?) and Reverse: CNG, Inc. Auction 94; Lot 1193; 18.09.2013 Reverse only: CNG, Inc. Elec. Auction 286; Lot 370; 05.09.2012 Baldwin's Auction 100; Lot 847; 27.09.2016 This post made me question it, although looking at the seller's other auctions, I didn't see too many red flags. So I decided to do an acsearch for die-matches and found a few likely candidates - I am never entirely sure about die-matches on ancients, but here are some I found (obv./rev. and a rev. only) - these always make me feel a bit more secure when it comes to authenticity: So, I like your OP, and it doesn't look fake to me, at least in the usual Bulgarian pressed way that you see all over. from what i can see yours looks ok to me Mike...it all comes down to opinion with pics and info..i reckon 🙂 Edited October 14, 2022 by ominus1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 14, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 13 hours ago, dougsmit said: The coin and most of the ones he has on eBay strike me as terrible examples shown in poor photos making it had to say whether they are real or not. However, real or fake makes no difference to me here. I see nothing there that I would consider worth the postage let alone cost of the coin. We each must decide just how bad is too bad to consider. I have coins in my collection that are this bad but they tend to be very rare, something in my specialty or date back when I was new enough that I did not know better. Today many people will only have mint state coins and I am not one but ask yourself if you really want this level or would pay a bit more for one just a bit prettier. Overall I believe his ID's seem correct. The Nero Janus is a special favorite of mine. This one if far from high grade but appealed to me with the temple facing left. that's a beauty Doug! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted October 14, 2022 · Patron Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 thanks all for ringin' in..i value your opinion and i appreciate you response :)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenickelguy Posted October 25, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 25, 2022 Looks like I ended up with this coin tonight. I'll try and take some new images when it arrives in the mail. Haven't bought many coins lately but figured I won't find a coin with Nero on it for the deal I got. I have rougher coins than this one. Thanks ominus, I'll give it the love it needs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenickelguy Posted November 1, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) Nero Temple of Janus 54-68 AD. Æ As Struck circa 65 ADPossibly Obv: IMP NERO CAESAR AVG GERM, laureate head right. Rev: PACE PR VBIQ PARTA IANVM CLVSIT, View of one front of the temple of Janus, with latticed window to left, and garland hung across closed double doors on the right. RIC 347; BMC 230; cf Sear 1974 24.5mm, 9.76gms ( a bit light for the type ) I used some copper darkener to subdue the cleaning harshness of the copper exposed. A tough coin to photograph but as promised. It is a little more blackish brown than this image shows. Edited November 1, 2022 by thenickelguy 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenickelguy Posted November 1, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 1, 2022 That is the same coin as shown in the first post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted November 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 27, 2022 I also purchased a temple of Janus coin. I got it from a coin store on ebay for $30. It seems okay but the wear is kinda weird. I think your coin is fine it's just corroded. It's an interesting type for Nero because very few emperors closed those doors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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