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Vespasian, Silver Denarius Ephesus, Mint 71 AD, RIC 1433, Diameter 18mm, Weight 3.44g

 

What do the Vespasian aka Flavier experts think? What price can, may one pay for it? It is a purchase for me (no sale!). I may want to have the coin myself. Your estimates? In the Sixbid archive I have seen prices around 500-650 USD. But a) from my point of view, less beautiful specimens and b) some of the auctions were already several years ago - and we know where the prices have gone. A Rauch auction - 7 years ago - brought 950 USD for a slightly better piece.

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Leu had one of this type in their last auction (or the one before) that went for over 1000. I'd rate it pretty much the same, with the Leu-portrait slightly better. But with the toning and the reverse, I'd go up to a bid of 1000-1200 if I'd really want it.

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1 hour ago, Mucius Scaevola said:

Leu had one of this type in their last auction (or the one before) that went for over 1000. I'd rate it pretty much the same, with the Leu-portrait slightly better. But with the toning and the reverse, I'd go up to a bid of 1000-1200 if I'd really want it.

https://leunumismatik.com/en/lot/33/2396 

Web Auction 20

1200 CHF + 20% = 1440 CHF

 

That you mean - wright?

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2 hours ago, Prieure de Sion said:

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Vespasian, Silver Denarius Ephesus, Mint 71 AD, RIC 1433, Diameter 18mm, Weight 3.44g

 

What do the Vespasian aka Flavier experts think? What price can, may one pay for it? It is a purchase for me (no sale!). I may want to have the coin myself. Your estimates? In the Sixbid archive I have seen prices around 500-650 USD. But a) from my point of view, less beautiful specimens and b) some of the auctions were already several years ago - and we know where the prices have gone. A Rauch auction - 7 years ago - brought 950 USD for a slightly better piece.

Thanks...neat

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11 hours ago, David Atherton said:

An excellent example of a worn rarity versus a beautiful common coin. I know which one I prefer. 

What I find most interesting is the difference in age/weight of Pax  between the EPE and BY coins.  I remain unaware of any serious study of these coins.  I was not aware that any of this series would be called 'common'.   I only have one EPE but it is a Domitian.  Again, I like its style but it is not the kind of high grade material most people require these days.

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1 hour ago, dougsmit said:

What I find most interesting is the difference in age/weight of Pax  between the EPE and BY coins.  I remain unaware of any serious study of these coins.  I was not aware that any of this series would be called 'common'.   I only have one EPE but it is a Domitian.  Again, I like its style but it is not the kind of high grade material most people require these days.

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Flavian denarii from Ephesus are rare, but generally not super rare. The EPHE mint mark being the most common of the issue. Your BY mint mark dated COS III is extremely rare in comparison! I'm on a fool's errand to try and collect them all.

 

Here's my BY COS III, note the 'very rare' frequency rating.

 

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Vespasian

AR Denarius, 2.95g
Ephesus mint, 71 AD
Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r.; below, BY
RIC 1426 (R2). BMC 450. RSC 293a. RPC 828 (1 spec.). BNC -.
Ex Helios, eBay, 15 July 2012.

 

And my EPHE COS III, rated as 'common'.

 

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Vespasian

AR Denarius, 3.30g
Ephesus Mint, 71 AD
Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r.; below, EPHE
RIC 1433 (C). BMC 459. RSC 293. RPC 835 (14 spec.). BNC 356.

 

And the less 'common' EPHE variant with the mint mark behind the reverse bust, rated 'rare'.

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Vespasian

AR Denarius, 3.28g
Ephesus Mint, 71 AD
Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Bust of woman, draped, wearing crown of towers, r.; EPHE in l. field
RIC 1434 (R). BMC 459 var. RSC 293 var. RPC 835 (14 spec.) var. BNC 356 var.
Acquired from Künker, June 2016. Ex Nudelman Numismatica Auction 10, 13 June 2011, lot 46.

 

There is an even rarer issue lacking a mintmark struck in between the BY COS III and the EPHE COS III issues - the Turreted bust type being unique ... but I digress.

 

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Vespasian

AR Denarius, 3.25g
Ephesus mint, 71 AD
Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r.; no mintmark
RIC 1426(5A)3 (R3). BMC -. RPC -. BNC -.
Acquired from Forvm Ancient Coins, May 2019.

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A problem with these is that lower grade coins can lose the mintmark or make it hard to read.  Is there a trace of something below the left end of the 3 pointed Pax drapery?  I only have three other mintmarked Flavians so I might as well tack them on here. Neither of the Vespasians has a particularly clear BY.  The Titus with obverse O is my favorite of the group and is pedigreed to Mabbott in 1969. 

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=mabbott collection

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32 minutes ago, dougsmit said:

Is there a trace of something below the left end of the 3 pointed Pax drapery?

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The COS III no mintmark denarii are indeed a puzzle. On the specimen I posted above there is no trace of a mintmark, as you can see on this reverse die match paired with Titus Caesar from the same issue.

 

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Titus as Caesar [Vespasian]

AR Denarius, 2.78g
Ephesus mint, 71 AD
Obv: IMPERATOR T CAESAR AVGVSTI F; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r., no mint mark
RIC 1426(5A)4. BMC -. RSC -. RPC -. BNC -.
Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection.

So far, this no mintmark issue has only been published in the Addenda & Corrigenda for RIC II.1 as Group 5A, all of which are presently in my collection.

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