Prieure de Sion Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2022 Vespasian, Silver Denarius Ephesus, Mint 71 AD, RIC 1433, Diameter 18mm, Weight 3.44g What do the Vespasian aka Flavier experts think? What price can, may one pay for it? It is a purchase for me (no sale!). I may want to have the coin myself. Your estimates? In the Sixbid archive I have seen prices around 500-650 USD. But a) from my point of view, less beautiful specimens and b) some of the auctions were already several years ago - and we know where the prices have gone. A Rauch auction - 7 years ago - brought 950 USD for a slightly better piece. Thanks... 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucius Scaevola Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) Leu had one of this type in their last auction (or the one before) that went for over 1000. I'd rate it pretty much the same, with the Leu-portrait slightly better. But with the toning and the reverse, I'd go up to a bid of 1000-1200 if I'd really want it. Edited September 11, 2022 by Mucius Scaevola 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 Ah thanks! The Leu auction thing slipped through my fingers while I was searching. Very helpful. I think that's a very good orientation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucius Scaevola Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2022 It is, yes. Your "option" is better centred and the legends are really crispy. And the toning is wonderful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Mucius Scaevola said: Leu had one of this type in their last auction (or the one before) that went for over 1000. I'd rate it pretty much the same, with the Leu-portrait slightly better. But with the toning and the reverse, I'd go up to a bid of 1000-1200 if I'd really want it. https://leunumismatik.com/en/lot/33/2396 Web Auction 20 1200 CHF + 20% = 1440 CHF That you mean - wright? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cazador Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Prieure de Sion said: Vespasian, Silver Denarius Ephesus, Mint 71 AD, RIC 1433, Diameter 18mm, Weight 3.44g What do the Vespasian aka Flavier experts think? What price can, may one pay for it? It is a purchase for me (no sale!). I may want to have the coin myself. Your estimates? In the Sixbid archive I have seen prices around 500-650 USD. But a) from my point of view, less beautiful specimens and b) some of the auctions were already several years ago - and we know where the prices have gone. A Rauch auction - 7 years ago - brought 950 USD for a slightly better piece. Thanks...neat Edited September 11, 2022 by El Cazador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucius Scaevola Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2022 Yes it's the one I meant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 @El Cazador…??? 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2022 IMHO, the prices quoted in the OP are not unreasonable for the piece as shown. It's in fine style, good condition, and has beautiful toning. A lovely example with lots of eye appeal! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2022 Mine is not nearly as perfect but is posted here to show another option in style and mintmark. Opinions differ on the meanings of both. 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted September 11, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, dougsmit said: Mine is not nearly as perfect but is posted here to show another option in style and mintmark. Opinions differ on the meanings of both. Cool… I like this Obverse / Reverse Design! 🥰 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted September 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, dougsmit said: Mine is not nearly as perfect but is posted here to show another option in style and mintmark. Opinions differ on the meanings of both. An excellent example of a worn rarity versus a beautiful common coin. I know which one I prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted September 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2022 My opinion is that it is a lovely coin. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted September 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 hours ago, David Atherton said: An excellent example of a worn rarity versus a beautiful common coin. I know which one I prefer. What I find most interesting is the difference in age/weight of Pax between the EPE and BY coins. I remain unaware of any serious study of these coins. I was not aware that any of this series would be called 'common'. I only have one EPE but it is a Domitian. Again, I like its style but it is not the kind of high grade material most people require these days. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted September 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dougsmit said: What I find most interesting is the difference in age/weight of Pax between the EPE and BY coins. I remain unaware of any serious study of these coins. I was not aware that any of this series would be called 'common'. I only have one EPE but it is a Domitian. Again, I like its style but it is not the kind of high grade material most people require these days. Flavian denarii from Ephesus are rare, but generally not super rare. The EPHE mint mark being the most common of the issue. Your BY mint mark dated COS III is extremely rare in comparison! I'm on a fool's errand to try and collect them all. Here's my BY COS III, note the 'very rare' frequency rating. Vespasian AR Denarius, 2.95g Ephesus mint, 71 AD Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r. Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r.; below, BY RIC 1426 (R2). BMC 450. RSC 293a. RPC 828 (1 spec.). BNC -. Ex Helios, eBay, 15 July 2012. And my EPHE COS III, rated as 'common'. Vespasian AR Denarius, 3.30g Ephesus Mint, 71 AD Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r. Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r.; below, EPHE RIC 1433 (C). BMC 459. RSC 293. RPC 835 (14 spec.). BNC 356. And the less 'common' EPHE variant with the mint mark behind the reverse bust, rated 'rare'. Vespasian AR Denarius, 3.28g Ephesus Mint, 71 AD Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r. Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Bust of woman, draped, wearing crown of towers, r.; EPHE in l. field RIC 1434 (R). BMC 459 var. RSC 293 var. RPC 835 (14 spec.) var. BNC 356 var. Acquired from Künker, June 2016. Ex Nudelman Numismatica Auction 10, 13 June 2011, lot 46. There is an even rarer issue lacking a mintmark struck in between the BY COS III and the EPHE COS III issues - the Turreted bust type being unique ... but I digress. Vespasian AR Denarius, 3.25g Ephesus mint, 71 AD Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r. Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r.; no mintmark RIC 1426(5A)3 (R3). BMC -. RPC -. BNC -. Acquired from Forvm Ancient Coins, May 2019. Edited September 12, 2022 by David Atherton 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted September 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 A problem with these is that lower grade coins can lose the mintmark or make it hard to read. Is there a trace of something below the left end of the 3 pointed Pax drapery? I only have three other mintmarked Flavians so I might as well tack them on here. Neither of the Vespasians has a particularly clear BY. The Titus with obverse O is my favorite of the group and is pedigreed to Mabbott in 1969. https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=mabbott collection 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted September 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, dougsmit said: Is there a trace of something below the left end of the 3 pointed Pax drapery? The COS III no mintmark denarii are indeed a puzzle. On the specimen I posted above there is no trace of a mintmark, as you can see on this reverse die match paired with Titus Caesar from the same issue. Titus as Caesar [Vespasian] AR Denarius, 2.78g Ephesus mint, 71 AD Obv: IMPERATOR T CAESAR AVGVSTI F; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r. Rev: PACI ORB TERR AVG; Turreted and draped female bust, r., no mint mark RIC 1426(5A)4. BMC -. RSC -. RPC -. BNC -. Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection. So far, this no mintmark issue has only been published in the Addenda & Corrigenda for RIC II.1 as Group 5A, all of which are presently in my collection. Edited September 12, 2022 by David Atherton 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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