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I would say to swear or take oath, because there are two fingers raised, not the whole hand. Nice coin!

This literature overview is great and helped me with all the abbreviations used in auctions, etc. http://www.medievalcoinage.com/books/RawBibliography.htm (not only for medieval coinage)

This is great, thanks for sharing! Does anyone perhaps have a downloadlink (for example via WeTransfer.com) for all the Celator publications (as downloading per issue takes some time).

Nice coin! I bought/won mine half a year ago and have a similar experience. The coin was 150,-, but plus fees, shipping and customs it was 243,- Euro. Quite a lot, but I'm still happy with the long bearded coin!

This one is new, but I don't have it yet myself: https://www.amazon.nl/Making-Money-Early-Middle-Ages/dp/0691177406

If you want to know more about it, this book is great:

Just bought this great book (for only € 12,50) with a great chapter about aquaducts (including this coin). ☺️👍🏻

This coin I find very interesting because of the reverse with star and 'moon'. In 1207 there was a solar eclipse which is depicted on this coin. See also (in Dutch, sorry) page 79: https://www.academia.edu/45119396/_2021_Zonsverduisteringen_op_munten_1100_1300_.

A publication about it would be nice!

Hi @CPK, Yes, I think it's a double die match. All the reverses looks indeed the same to me, except perhaps for the Wildwinds coin (look at the shoulder line and letter C). But it must be said, it's hard to see.

Many thanks! I just contacted Daphne Nash Briggs who might have some ideas about this coin. To be continued!

Do you perhaps have an example of this? I think it's a good suggestion, thanks!

It might be clipped a bit. Dr. Arent Pol stated he believes this is indeed a coin.

Many thanks @John Conduitt, this is most helpful. I'll ask about the possible clipping.

Hi all, Very nice to see this coin got your attention! The find is legit. I know the finder, the find is reported (PAN registration nr. 00020835) and the XRF is done by the government agency (so called 'rijksdienst voor cultureel erfgoed'). The coin is found in the municipality of Oss in de province Noord-Brabant. Let me say upfront there is no definite proof here. There are no written sources, and not even a similar coin. So that leaves us with ruling things out (if possible) and point in possible directions for dating and attribution of this coin. So let's sum up some points of view, and please correct me or add if needed. Is it a coin? That's a valid question. In the early medieval, gold bracteates were produced which were used as pendents. But these are always one-sited and this example bares two sides, just like a normal coin. Also there is clearly a cross, as seen on other coin types. I would say, even though it's a very strange one, it's most probably a coin. It doesn't strike me as some creative product of post medieval times, as suggested before. But of course, you'll never know. Iron age / Roman (c. 800 BC - 500 AD) I think we all agree a coin from the Iron age and Roman era can be ruled out. The coin is too thin and the front- and backside does not look like anything from this time. Merovingian / Franks (ca. 500-750) As stated before, the coin has been researched by many scholars, including Arent Pol from Leiden University. He examined the coin and compared it to his giant database of merovingian coins (15.000 solidi and tremisses) and stated there exists no paralel, not even a hint for a comparison. Basically, he ruled out a merovingian provenance in the North-West of Europe. Anglo-Saxon-Saxon-Frisian (c. 650-734) During the sceatta period I believe there were no gold coins issued, at least not in The Netherlands. Also, the coin has a rim, which is missing on sceattas? So, can't it be a single, experimenting gold issue during this period. It might..? Carolingian era (768-888) The style doesn't match. I would say it's unlikely. Viking era The coin does relate to coins from Harold Bluetooth (see before), but no gold coins where struck by the Vikings (wright?). Or this one would be the first? I think this is unlikely. Other solutions I would say we have to look for other solutions. the tari does correspond with diameter and weight, but the style seems 'out of tone'..? I just saw this great blog from Caitlin Green: https://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/03/some-imitation-islamic-coins.html. I wrote her an email, let's hope she has a suggestion? Attached a new photo!

Hi all, For a publication, I'm doing research on this incredible medieval gold coin. An unicum! It was found in 2017 by a metal detectorist in The Netherlands and since than many specialists have seen this coin, but none could identify it. It measures only 13 mm, weights 1.1 g and a XRF-measurement pointed out the coin consist of 87% gold and 10% silver. Some think it might be a Merovingian tremissis from the 7th century, although there is no comparison of any kind (from a database of 15.000 coins). I think the coin is younger and dates from the 11th or 12th century. For a while I thought it might be an unknown gold issue from Denmark because of the great similarity of the cross on coins attributed to Harald Blåtand (Harald Bluetooth) - see attached coin. But now I believe it's a so called tarì (from the Arabic meaning 'pure', based on the earlier Fatimid quarter dinars). Both weight and diameter corresponds with this coin type. But, there's much more to tell..! Norman–Arab–Byzantine culture blend style coin?! The coin is highly transformed into a blend of different styles. I think it's from the time of the so called Norman–Arab–Byzantine culture, that started when the first Normans arrived in Southern Italy between the years 999 and 1030. In 1030 they established a capital at Aversa, near Napels. Perhaps the coin can be attributed to Roger I (Bosso and The Great), who was a Norman nobleman who became the first Count of Sicily from 1071 to 1101. Or to Roger II (1105-1154), who became king of Sicily and from who is known to have issued tari coins with the blending of Arab and Norman styles. See also: https://www.bmimages.com/preview.asp?image=00031891001. If so, the coin could have been minted in the capital Palermo. Harald-related coin I think the relation with the cross type from Harald Bluetooth Gormson (959-985) is convincing. This interesting coin from the British Museum points out the production of this silver coin would be at the end of Harald's reign around c.975-980. 'This coin was not among the earliest of the series, which on average were even lighter than previous ones, and it belongs to the phase of high output towards the end of Harald's reign. Finds suggest that the mint was further north than Hedeby, and, of the possible candidates, Jelling, with its strong associations with Harald, seems the most likely. Malmer has suggested that the final group of this series characterised by cross-voided reverses may have been struck at Sigtuna and been the immediate precursors of the regal issues in the name of Olaf Skötkonung (See Universitetets Myntkabinettet, Oslo FC no. 200).' A source for the Harald coins is this publication of Hauberg from 1900. I attached below the image with several 'halvbrakteater', but the dating (c. 940-960) seems to be too early. Another reference source is 'Malmer', but I can't find this one online. A third is this overview with coins from Denmark from David Ruckser. This book from Jens Christian Moesgaard seems also very interesting, but is not in my possession (perhaps some of you?). What bothers me a bit, is the time period between production of this silver coin (around c. 975-980) and the production of the gold tari in the 11th or even 12th century. But perhaps they just used an old coin type from the North what was inspiring (perhaps because the cross looks a bit like a Byzantine cross-crosslet as well). When looking at other coins, only this coin type from Béla II of Hungary (1131 - 1141) seems to correspond with the pseudo text (stripes). There really seems no other related coin anywhere. Interestingly, a date around 1130-1140 does correspond with the blended style type coins from Roger II (see above). What are your thoughts about this fascinating coin? Do you agree with the identification of a (unique, blended style) tari? What about the attribution and dating? Any other suggestions? Thanks for your thoughts and time! @Edessa @Roerbakmix @JeandAcre @Pellinore @ewomack @DonnaML @Hrefn

Great topic and fascinating coin type! Congratz! I wonder if the children are to be taken literary (as Sear stated) or as a symbol for the citizens of Rome / the empire that all benefit under the rule of Trajanus? I think the latest. ☺️

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Never seen this one, it seems a highly artistic profile of the count of Chartres. See also: https://www.poinsignon-numismatique.com/coins_r5/other-feudal-coins_c18/orleanais_p2396/orleanais-comte-de-chartres-eudes-ii-1004-1037-obole-de-type-bleso-chartrain_article_95963.html

Found in my inbox: The Ninth International Symposium in Early Medieval Coinage will be held on Saturday 20th April 2024, in the Department of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic (ASNC), at the Faculty of English, 9 West Road, Cambridge CB3 9DP. Among others, the speakers include Rory Naismith, Gareth Williams and John Hines. If you are interested in attending or speaking, please contact t.abramson@ntlworld.com. Spaces are limited, so don’t delay! The symposium is free other than a £20 fee, on entry, to cover refreshments and buffet lunch. As usual, we will meet in Cambridge on Friday evening to socialise over a pizza dinner. This is a great opportunity for specialists, collectors and detectorists to meet and I look forward to seeing you. Best regards, Tony. Website: www.anglo-saxon-coinage.co.uk

Indeed! FYI: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2016/02/24/dna-from-earliest-muslim-graves-in-france-reveals-north-african-origins/

To be sure: you know the online publications from Richard Kelleher? Like this one about the coins from Edward III: https://www.academia.edu/8734408/Kings_and_Coins_in_Medieval_England_Edward_III And: https://www.academia.edu/7765508/Kings_and_Coins_in_Medieval_England_VIII_Short_Cross_part_2

Many thanks, I didn't know that. Great!

Wow! Good to know! Of course, if you don't want it shared I'll remove the post. 👍🏻👍🏻

Found another great online book! http://www.dirtyoldbooks.com/CC/The-Complete-Coinage-of-Severus-Alexander.html