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I got shut out which wasn't surprising. I was the high bidder on the Wildman multiple thaler until the live bidding started. It would have been nice to have but I wasn't going to spend what it sold for.

I used to have a couple. Probably should have held onto them since the prices have increased so much. Really like that "auto dollar". I've never owned one but if given the right opportunity I would mind adding one someday.

Eislebem 1616 1/2 Thaler. Somehow I overlooked this one when making up my 2022 top 10. For the 100 year celebration of the Naumburger Convention. Martin Luther facing; the year 1616 in exergue / City view. References: Opitz 2310. Whiting 138. Tornau 1474 Ia Grade: Pretty cabinet toning. Minor marks. aEF Naumburg Convention was a meeting of German evangelical rulers and states, held at Naumburg On-the-Saale from January 20 to February 8, 1561, with a view to harmonizing the evangelical parties in Germany by subscribing to the Augsburg Confession of 1530. The Protestant German Church was sadly divided on dogmatic grounds; the Council of Trent was to meet again, and the desire of the princes who met at Augsburg was to give by their subscription of the Augsburg Confession, not only a uniform Confession to the Church, which might bring about the long-desired peace between the dissenting parties. (this was taken directly from https://www.biblicalcyclopedia.com/N/naumburg-convention.html for those wanting to learn more) Hamburg 1809 32 Schilling Hannover 1818 3 Mariengroschen. A common coin in an uncommon condition.

#1 and #9 are my favorites but I would gladly accept any of them into my collection. Fantastic year for you. That AV unit is one of my "bucket list" coins.

1856 Anhalt-Bernburg 1/6 Thaler 1767 Brandenburg-Ansbach Thaler struck in copper. I've seen this described as a pattern but I'm not certain. 1666 Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel Thaler

This is the basic idea for my new acquisitions. I have become kind of picky about new purchases for my collection. As you can see my interests are all over the place. Only the 4 thaler and the ducaton were on my radar as things that I was looking for. The rest were probably the first time I ever saw the type.

I see that the Schlesien Silver Medal is popular with you guys. If I hadn't purchased the multiple thaler this year it would have been #1 for certain. I haven't been able to find out much about it because it doesn't appear to be mentioned in any references. The legend is pretty harsh for today's society but is an interesting window into that time period. Thank you for the link. I had not come across that yet. Here is the translation for that web sites description. As the inscription in the section on the reverse states, the medal served as a FRAVEN SPIEGEL, a moral warning to (married) women. The inscription running over both sides reads: WITH FLEIS YOUR WORK DRIVE SILENCE ZV HAVSE STAY. The illustrations on the front and back illustrate this advice. On the front are three beehives with swarming bees, on the back a snail with a house between two trees. The bees stand for diligence, the snail symbolizes peaceful domesticity.

It is cast. I purchased it, at least partially, because it reminds of the work of Valentin and Christian Maler. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was the work of either one.

This will be my first top 10 on this site. I see that not many are devoted to world coins, which most of mine are. Most years my list is just 10 coins in no order. This year, I decided to put them in my top 10 order. Mostly this is because, in my mind, there is a logical order for the first time.My goal going into this year was to purchase fewer coins but higher quality. I think that mostly I have succeeded. As in past years the list includes coins, medals, and tokens. The list is heavy on German material which is a common theme of mine.#10 Cologne 983-1002 Silver Denar. The pictures don’t show it well, but this is struck exceptionally well. I just found it very appealing. Cologne Anonymous Denar ND (983-1002) Obverse: +OTTO REX, cross with pellets in each angle Reverse: S / [C]OLONIA / A [G] in three lines. Weight: 1.34gm Struck in the name of Otto III Cologne mint #9 Bavaria 1535 Ludwig X, unknown engraver. This was one of the tougher ones for me to rank. It could have been placed anywhere between 3 and 9 depending on when I last looked at it. I like it very much but part of me says "it is just a portrait medal". If it could be attributed to a specific engraver my belief is that it would positively affect the value and the desirability to other collectors. Ludwig X, Duke of Bavaria-Landshut, second son of Albert IV, born 1495, reigns together with his brother Wilhelm since 1516, died 1545. Portrait medal 1535. Obverse: Half-length portrait L with a long beard in a flat cap and fur coat. Engraved in field on both sides : DUX — LVD / OVI / CV / S — MD / XXX / V. Ks. T SI T DEVS T NOBISCVM * QVIS * CONTRA * NOS. Reverse: The four-field Palatinate-Bavarian coat of arms on a cut-out, rolled-up shield in a circle of threads. Habich p. 117, T, VII, 6 Med. and coins d. total Wittelsbach 267 26mm. 8.7 g Probably by a South German medalist who worked under the influence of Neufarer. #8 Emden. Herman von Kalvelage Denar ND (1020-1051). The last of the medieval coins on the list. Another one that presents better in hand. This is one that I should have done a GTG pole on. NGC placed it in an MS63 holder. Emden. Herman von Kalvelage Denar ND (1020-1051) Counts of Hamburg mint, Dannenburg-772. Obverse: Head right (mounted upside down in holder) Reverse: Double Cross with lettering in angles. Weight: 0.56gm #7 France 1801 Seine Iron Bridge. One of a number of Jetons purchased this year but by far my favorite. France, Consulate, 1801 Jeton Anno IX Consulate (1799-1804) by P.Tiolier. Construction 3 Iron bridges over seine #6 Mozambique 1843 Onca. Satisfies my urge to purchase unusual stuff. Considered by some to be siege money buy not by others. Either way, it is a cool coin. Maria II (1834-1853) Silver 1843 Onca (Canelo) Counter Stamped with one Rosette over "M" Weight: 27.04g Thickness 4 mm Shape: Rectangular (17 x 14 mm) Gomes-12.01 KM# 26.2 #5 1794 Netherlands (Maastricht) Stuiver. Cool siege coin. One of the only that I own. Typical crude style. Obverse: A star in the center, date above, value below, and mint mark. Lettering: 1794 / 100St Reverse: Smooth (uniface) Composition: Silver Weight: 30.07 g Diameter: 40.8 mm Comments: Siege of Maastricht by the French troops, the Austrians held the city at that time (second restauration of the Austrian Netherlands under Franz II) whereas Maastricht had been ruled by the United Provinces and the Duchy of Liege in a condominium. #4 1744 Battle of Toulon Medal. Very historic and pretty grim. GREAT BRITAIN, SPAIN & FRANCE. Battle of Toulon brass Medal. Issued 1744. Satirizing the British missteps off the coast of Toulon against the Spanish & French Diameter: 38mm Weight: 13.17 g Obverse: Harbor scene with aspects denoted by the following letters — A: in background, ships under sail on sea to right; B: in foreground, human body suspended from gibbet (D) to left; 😄 in background, smaller ships under sail on sea to left; 1743|4 in exergue Reverse: Harbor scene with aspects denoted by the following letters — E: in background, fortified town under attack to right; F and G: in background, ships under sail right attacking town; H: in foreground, troops advancing left to right; I: in foreground, lion pouncing right upon cock. MI 584/224; Eimer 582. Very Fine. Yellow-brown surfaces. Emanating from the War of Austrian Succession, the Battle of Toulon (off the coast of France) took place in the Mediterranean theater between Great Britain, France, and Spain. In the American theater, Britain and Spain had already been at war in the form of the War of Jenkins' Ear (with a later conflict—the French and Indian War—also deriving from the same issue). In the Mediterranean, the French joined the Spanish when an upper hand against the British revealed itself, with the latter not effectively pursuing the former two and thus losing an advantage—a result that was viewed natively in Britain as a fiasco. On this medal, the superiority of the British is indicated by the lion (Britain) pouncing upon the cock (France), but the figure hanging from the gibbet is likely (mockingly) one of the two British admirals (Mathews or Lestock). In any event, an intriguing, tongue-in-cheek, and somewhat macabre poke at contemporary British affairs.#3 Netherland (Utrecht) 1775 Silver Rider Ducaton. This is one of those coins that just spoke to me when I saw it. It is in an NGC Details (cleaned) holder but I don’t mind one bit. Obverse: Armored knight on horse above crowned Utrecht shield Obverse Legend: MO : NO : ARG : CON FOE : BELG : PRO : TRAI • Reverse: Crowned arms of the Generality with lion supporters, date below Reverse Legend: CONCORDIA RES PARVÆ CRESCUNT • Edge Description: Cabled Composition: Silver (.941) Weight: 32.78g ASW: 0.9917oz #2 1680’s Schlesien Silver Medal. Exquisitely engraved. This was an easy choice for me to come in 2nd place. ca. 1680's AR Medal Weight: 15.57g Diameter: 32mm This very rare medal served as a moral reminder to (married) women. The inscription on both sides reads: WORKING HARD IN THE HARD RESULTS IN KEEPING A TRANQUIL AND PEACEFUL HOME. The illustrations on the front and back illustrate this advice. On the reverse are three beehives with swarming bees (symbol of diligence), The obverse shows a snail with house between two trees (symbol of peaceful domesticity). CHRISTOPH SUCRO, Mint-master at Stettin, 1677-1681 #1 1664 Brunswick-Luneberg-Celle 4 Thaler. Easy choice for #1. At over 111 grams and 72mm this is a coin that I never thought I would own. See here if you want the rest of the story:https://www.cointalk.com/threads/my-quest-for-multiple-thalers.398632/ Solver for 4 talers 1664 LW, Clausthal. Yield from the Harz mines. Christian Ludwig, 1648-1665 Obverse: Hand of clouds wreaths a horse over a mining landscape with miners and two gullets, outline of the pit below Reversed: Crowned monogram from CL, framed by two laurel branches, surrounded by fourteen coats of arms. With value stamp. Mint master Lippold Wefer Weight: 111.5grams Diameter: 72mm Welter 1495, Davenport 187, Müseler Supplement 10.4.1/63 a, Duve 12 AI. I hope you enjoyed this. Let me know what your favorites are.

Lubeck 1776 Thaler Munster 1719 Thaler Pfalz 1547 Thaler Saxony-Ernestine 1535 Thaler Stolberg-Stolberg 1646 Thaler Teutonic Order 1614 Double Thaler

Nice. My wife visited Neuschwanstein castle when she was in the military. We hope to someday visit together.

Another Erfurt - 1632 Thaler My only German States gold - 1817 Ducat Friedberg 1747 2/3 Thaler Hamburg 1650 Double Thaler

Augsburg 1643 Thaler Augsburg 1694 Thaler Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1585 Thaler Erfurt 1603 Thaler

Panzerman, as you know, I have a few German States coins. Will start off with some favorites. Bavaria 1810 Brandenburg 1539 Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1551 Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1588 Brunswick-Luneburg 1664 4 Thaler Eichstatt 1757 I'll post more later.

I have a thing for anything by Pistrucci so your George III crown is stunning to me. I have a far inferior one.

Very nice. #2 would be my favorite but they are all nice.

I had a suspicion it was related to weight. From Wikipedia: Normandie had a successful year but Queen Mary, Cunard White Star Line's superliner, entered service in the summer of 1936. Cunard White Star said Queen Mary would surpass 80,000 tons. At 79,280 tons, Normandie would no longer be the world's largest. The CGT increased Normandie's size, mainly through the addition of an enclosed tourist lounge on the aft boat deck. Following these and other alterations, she measured 83,423 gross register tons.

All I have is this 1653 dated ECU

I believe that most of the multiple thalers have been cleaned, often repeatedly. Being as they were status symbols and not being held on to by numismatists, the owners would try to make them as nice "looking" as possible.

I don't know that I have ever seen a definitive answer to that. I use both.

I made a mistake and posted this on "that other site" before it was actually in hand. I was excited for the purchase but then had to wait 107 days for the package to be delivered. I think that I have learned my lesson. For the past several years a sizable portion of my collecting budget has been on Thaler sized coins, mostly from the German States but, from all over the world if they strike my fancy. Multiple thalers have been on my radar but rarely does one come up for sale at a price that Is attainable for me.Soon after the discovery of the rich new silver veins in the ducal mines of the Harz Mountains, Julius (1528-1589, Duke and Prince of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel 1568-1589) devised a plan to create a permanent reserve fund for the defense of his duchy. He ordered each of his subjects who owned property to purchase one of his new multiple thalers. The denomination purchased depended on the wealth of the subject. Coins were struck in a range of denominations from 1-¼ to 16 thalers. Owners of these pieces were required to turn them in when requested by the duke in exchange for debased currency, thus creating an instant source of good silver coinage whenever needed. Julius’ successors in the Duchy of Brunswick continued to produce these coins.The owners of these usually kept them because they were a sign of prestige and wealth. Yes, it wasn’t necessarily acquired by choice but in this case, size did matter. If you had a larger multiple thaler it was because you could afford to. It would have been difficult at best to use one in a normal daily transaction. Think about trying to pass a $500 bill at your local fast-food restaurant.Thalers are about 40mm in diameter and 25-30 grams in weight. Multiples would normally be multiples of this weight range. So, a 2 thaler would be around 60 grams, 3 thaler around 90 grams, etc.This Frankfurt coin I consider to be a wannabe multiple thaler. It is dated 1861 and has a face value of 2 thalers but only weighs 37.04 grams. Far short of the description above. Likewise, the next coin is another Frankfurt 2 thalers, from 1847, but only weighs 37.1 grams. Both of these coins are very attainable for most collectors.The next coin was my first real multiple thaler purchase. This 1614 dated Teutonic Order 2 thaler coin is only slightly larger in diameter at 46mm but weighs an impressive 56.75 grams. It is a substantial piece to hold. This coin scratched the multiple thaler itch for a while, but I wanted one of the large diameter pieces that I have seen and read so much about. Most of these are 5-6 figure coins. Teutonic Order. Maximilian of Austria. 1588-1618. AR double thaler. Hall mint. 1614 Weight: 56.75 gm Diameter: 46 mm. Obverse: Master of the Order standing, holding the hilt of a grounded sword in his right hand, a lion holding a shield to left Reverse: Maximilian on a horse moving right, a circle of shields of arms around him. Davenport 5854. KM 30. That brings us to a coin that I purchased in 2019 at a larger regional coin show. It’s described as a double show thaler from Hamburg. Minted ca.1635. The obverse has the annunciation of Christ. The reverse has John the Baptist baptizing Christ in the river Jordan. It is 59mm in diameter and weighs 56.5 grams. The dealer at the time let me make payments. This was important because it was the most I had ever spent on a coin. Obverse: The Annunciation Obverse Legend: AVE MARIA GRATI: PLENDOMIN. DOMIN:TECUMBENED: TUINT:MULIERES Reverse: Christ standing facing in the river Jordan, head lowered right, being anointed by St.John the Baptist to right; above, radiate and nimbate dove below name of God in Hebrew. Reverse Legend: CHRIST : D : HEILG : TAUFNIM : AN : V : SEIM : VORLAUFFER : I : IORD :, Diameter: 59mm Weight: 56.5gm Note: Ref. G#1586. Prev. KM#F85. At the time I figured that would be the best and largest multiple thaler that would ever reside in my collection.The following year I was able to add another Hamburg double thaler. This one minted ca. 1650. I was able to purchase it from around half the price of the coin above due to an obvious cleaning. It is often described as a wedding thaler due to the couple on the obverse and the scene of the wedding at Cana on the reverse. It has similar dimensions to the coin above. 60mm in diameter and 57.42 grams. I did a writeup of this coin here if interested.Some references describe this as being 3 thalers but I have it listed in my inventory as a double thaler due to the weight.https://www.cointalk.com/threads/doppelter-hochzeitstaler-–-double-wedding-thaler.362713/ Hamburg. AR Doppelter Hochzeitstaler Obverse: Man and woman standing facing one another and clasping hands; above, radiant name of god and dove Reverse: The Wedding at Cana. Cf. Diameter: 60mm Weight: 57.42 g Gaedechens 1600; KM 147 (3 Thaler). Toned, lightly chased, minor edge bumps. (sellers description) Those 2 coins satisfied me for the past few years even though I would check the prices every time I saw a multiple thaler of any denomination for sale. There is a nice 4 thaler listed on eBay at the time of this writing with an asking price of $25,000. Compared to previous sales, it is not an unheard-of price. And then it happened. I got an email showing new material from one of my favorite sellers. It showed the next coin. A 1664 dated Braunschweig-Lüneburg-Celle 4 thaler of Christian Ludwig. It is minted from the yield of the Harz mine. The weight is 115.5 grams, and it has a diameter of 81mm. Down by the date on the reverse you can see a 4 stamp. This is typically how the multiple thalers were marked. And the price….well, it wasn’t cheap but it was in range of stretching for it. 4 talers 1664 LW, Clausthal. Yield from the Harz mines. Christian Ludwig, 1648-1665 Obverse: Hand of clouds wreaths a horse over a mining landscape with miners and two gullets, outline of the pit below Reversed: Crowned monogram from CL, framed by two laurel branches, surrounded by fourteen coats of arms. With value stamp. Weight: 111.5 g Diameter: 72mm Mint master: Lippold Wefer in Clausthal Welter 1495, Davenport 187, Müseler Supplement 10.4.1/63 a, Duve 12 AI. Grade: front slightly rubbed, VF-EF I really like the detailed mining scene on the bottom of the obverse. The engraver, Lippold Wefer, was obviously a talented guy. He was the mintmaster in Clausthal from 1640-1674. Aside from that, little is known about him. Even Forrer only has a few vague sentences.The Upper Harz was once one of the most important mining regions in Germany. The major products of its mines were silver, copper, lead, and iron, The main source of income, however, was silver. From the 16th to the middle of the 19th centuries about 40–50% of the entire German silver production originated in the Upper Harz. The taxes raised from this contributed significantly to the revenue of the royal houses in Hanover and Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel and helped to secure their positions of power and influence within the empire.In the Upper Harz, vein mining predominated. Excavation followed the vertically standing lodes or veins downwards. In their heyday the Upper Harz Mines were among the deepest in the world. For example, as early as 1700 shafts were already exceeding depths of 300 meters and by 1830, a depth of 600 meters was achieved. This was considered significant at that time because it was below sea level.As far as multiple thalers go this is one of the most common varieties. Despite that, I am quite excited to add this coin to my collection. It seems like I have been working my way up to this for years. I can’t see myself adding anymore multiple thalers in the near future. This has pretty much killed my coin budget for the rest of the year. Of course, I will still be looking for them. I “need” a Wildman multiple thaler.Sources:Biographical Dictionary of Medallists, by Leonard Forrermoney.orgWikipediaha.com

Nice coins. I don't have anything to share but really like your examples.

Here is a link to auction results found on acsearch. The most recent one hammered for almost $4K although all of the rest were much more reasonable. https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=1607+7708&category=1-2&lot=&date_from=&date_to=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&currency=usd&order=1

I was able to pick up the entire 1947 in NGC holders for less the cost of grading fees. It kind of shocked me. Below are a few of them.

I have a few because I like crown sized world coins but I am pretty much an amateur on collecting these. And a Half Rouble from Peter I