chevalier Posted July 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 27, 2022 Is that already known ? https://www.academia.edu/77282280/GALLIENUS_ANTONINIANII_English_version_PDF?email_work_card=title GALLIENUS ANTONINIANII English version.PDF José de Sousa Published 2022 385 Pages The Antoninianii Collection of Gallienus by Frank Reinhardt 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted July 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 27, 2022 Yes, this collection has all likelihood to become a reference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted July 27, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted July 27, 2022 8 hours ago, chevalier said: Is that already known ? https://www.academia.edu/77282280/GALLIENUS_ANTONINIANII_English_version_PDF?email_work_card=title GALLIENUS ANTONINIANII English version.PDF José de Sousa Published 2022 385 Pages The Antoninianii Collection of Gallienus by Frank Reinhardt Thanks for this! I've downloaded it, and it appears to be a wonderful resource -- especially if, like me, one doesnt have access to Göbl MIR. It's also fully illustrated, which isn't really true of other Gallienus resources available online. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinian Posted July 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 27, 2022 Thank you very much for linking to that pdf. I downloaded it. It is an important resource. Here is an unusual zoo type: 21-20 mm. 2.30 grams. HERCVLI CONS AVG, boar right, Є below. The boar of Erymanthus, the third labor of Hercules. RIV V.I 202. Sear III 10228. Cunetio 1367 (3 pieces [among nearly 3000 with "... CONS AVG"]; most major types have 100-245 pieces) "sixth series" struck 267-8. The new reference has it on page 126 as MIR 729u "267" "10th emission". I am sorry the coins are not given ID numbers so we could cite the new catalog more easily. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted July 27, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted July 27, 2022 I agree. I guess the next best thing would be to cite the page number of the pdf together with the MIR number. Or the Wolkow number, if you have that very useful little book specifically about the Zoo Series [Cédric Wolkow, Catalogue des monnaies romaines - Gallien - L'émission dite "Du Bestiaire" - atelier de Rome (BNumis, édition 2019)]. In this case, the Wolkow number is 16a5 (citing 67 examples with the bust with one ribbon lying on the Emperor's neck; the bust with both ribbons behind is listed as "unique"): 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted July 27, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Valentinian said: Thank you very much for linking to that pdf. I downloaded it. It is an important resource. I am sorry the coins are not given ID numbers so we could cite the new catalog more easily. Really useful, with all those photos! Yes luckily it is easy to search for Göbl MIR references in a pdf (once nearly 400 pages with images have loaded!) It makes my coin a year younger... Gallienus 3rd Emission Antoninianus, 259 (or 260) Samosata. Billon, 22mm, 2.62g. Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust to right, (dot beneath bust); IMP C P LIC GALLIENVS P F AVG. Emperor standing to right, holding spear, receiving wreath from Roma standing to left, holding spear and shield, wreath in field above; VIRTVS AVG (RIC V.1 (joint reign), 457 var; Göbl MIR 1704b). Edited July 27, 2022 by John Conduitt 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapphnwn Posted July 27, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2022 I met the man some years ago at the Frankfurt Numismata. We were at the venue cafeteria when I overheard people talking about coins and they were speaking in English. Naturally I had to investigate and the group of us talked with each other for some time. I have seen Frank since at another Frankfurt Numismata and one at Munich. I enjoyed his conversation. He actually assisted me in buying a coin (Not this one) Gallienus Bil Antoninianus Antioch 257-258 AD Joint reign with Valerian I Obv. Bust right radiate and cuirassed. Rv, Victory presenting wreath to Emperor VICTORIA GERMAN RIC 452 Gobl 1603b 3.39 grms 21 mm Photo by W. Hansen Both Valerian and Gallienus celebrated victories won over the German tribes, Valerian at the commencement of his reign Gallienus somewhat later on. Though most of Gallienus' victory coins were struck at Lugdunum (Cologne) this is one of the more unusual references to that victory outside of his direct sphere of influence. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted July 27, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, kapphnwn said: Gallienus Bil Antoninianus Antioch 257-258 AD Joint reign with Valerian I Obv. Bust right radiate and cuirassed. Rv, Victory presenting wreath to Emperor VICTORIA GERMAN RIC 452 Gobl 1603b 3.39 grms 21 mm Photo by W. Hansen Both Valerian and Gallienus celebrated victories won over the German tribes, Valerian at the commencement of his reign Gallienus somewhat later on. Though most of Gallienus' victory coins were struck at Lugdunum (Cologne) this is one of the more unusual references to that victory outside of his direct sphere of influence. What a beautiful example that is, Terence! I'm very interested in these later Antioch issues because of their connection with this Valerian I have: Second known example, as far as I know - and supremely ironic! This is part of the same issue as Terence's VICTORIA GERMAN, which is variously dated between 255 and 260. I just picked up a really nice example from the next, final joint reign issue from Antioch (6th emission according to MIR), which (interestingly) has a rather different portrait style: Reinhardt dates this issue to the same broad range of 255-60 though I believe MIR puts it later. I've been reading up on the history and timing of these issues. What I'd really like access to is an English version of Göbl's reasoning for dating these late joint-reign (and early sole reign) issues of Gallienus (and Valerian) at Antioch. Does anyone know how I could get that? Edited July 27, 2022 by Severus Alexander 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinian Posted July 27, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 27, 2022 58 minutes ago, kapphnwn said: Gallienus Bil Antoninianus Antioch 257-258 AD Joint reign with Valerian I Obv. Bust right radiate and cuirassed. Rv, Victory presenting wreath to Emperor VICTORIA GERMAN RIC 452 Gobl 1603b There are many Gallienus types that may belong to particular victories. Foss (#15) says this one relates to victories on the Danube. 23-21 mm. 3.95 grams. Large flan. VICTORIA GERMAN Alfoldi wrote a long article in NC (1930) "The numbering of the Victories of the emperor Gallienus and of the loyalty of his legions" which has been reprinted. Those types would make an interesting collecting theme. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtTu Posted July 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) Thanks for sharing! I thought one of my coins appeared on page 189, but it's just a die match. Two different pictures of my example: Edited July 28, 2022 by EtTu Clarification 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molag Bal Posted July 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) An amazing collection! Great resource too. Here are my most recent Gallienus additions: Gallienus AR Antoninianus. Colonia Agrippinensis, AD 257. GALLIENVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust to right / VIRTVS AVGG, Emperor standing to right, holding spear and standard. RIC V.1 58 (Lugdunum, joint reign); MIR 882l; RSC 1309 (Lugdunum). 5.07g, 22mm, 6h. Gallienus BI Antoninianus. Antioch, AD 266. GALLIENVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust to right / IVBENTVS AVG, Emperor standing to left, holding Victory and spear; VIIC in exergue. RIC V.1 615 (Asia, sole reign) var. (bust type); MIR 1641a; RSC 415. 3.27g, 22mm, 6h. From the N. M. McQ. Holmes Collection. Gallienus BI Antoninianus. Mediolanum, AD 263-265. GALLIENVS AVG, radiate head to left / PROVIDENTIA AVG, Providentia standing to left, leaning on column, holding baton and cornucopiae, globe at feet on left; S in right field. RIC V.1 510 (sole reign) var. (baton, globe, S in right field); MIR 1088i. 2.61g, 24mm, 12h. Edited July 28, 2022 by Molag Bal 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwheelsearl Posted July 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 28, 2022 Gallienus love thread! Here's my rarest! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted July 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted July 28, 2022 14 hours ago, chevalier said: Is that already known ? https://www.academia.edu/77282280/GALLIENUS_ANTONINIANII_English_version_PDF?email_work_card=title GALLIENUS ANTONINIANII English version.PDF José de Sousa Published 2022 385 Pages The Antoninianii Collection of Gallienus by Frank Reinhardt chevalier, thanks for the link ☺️. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis JJ Posted July 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 Interesting, it's an impressive collection. I was aware of one or two other specialist Gallienus collections from auction catalogs (most recently E. Mensch & A. Bauer; the N. M. McQ. Holmes Collection of the Valerianic dynasty; there's also apparently a Dan Hoffman Collection of Gallienus). I'm sure there will come a time when I want to use it as a reference. Apparently a handful of his coins were sold at Roma Numismatics in 2020, but it seems like he held onto several (!) of them. I'm going to keep an eye out; if I can get just one new Gallienus, I'll try to get a Reinhardt, preferably one also ex Mensch. (I notice from the bibliography that they seem to have been collaborators.) Too bad I missed the ex Reinhardt Gallienus As from the Adrian Lang Collection (unfortunately about 50X what I budget for Gallienus!). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis JJ Posted July 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, EtTu said: I thought one of my coins appeared on page 189, but it's just a die match. T Wow, that is REALLY close! A lot of people would've concluded it was the same coin & been satisfied -- well done being careful in your comparison! It's the centering, too, that makes it so close, combined with the dies. It's always surprising to me how often this happens. It must be that the same crew stamping the coins tended to get them off-center the same way, time after time. I'm sure people who do die studies also notice this, but I'm always amazed when I'm researching provenances, how many of them will have virtually identical centering and flan shape. I have a Tarsos stater that's 15% off-center on the obv (toward 7h) and 10% on the rev. (to 5h); I've found my coin illustrated in several sales from the 1990s, but I've also found numerous other near-matches from the same die pair, with similar state of preservation, and -- remarkably -- the exact pattern of de-centering and striking flatness in the same places! I'm sure if someone wanted they could figure out a way to quantify it and maybe even identify clusters of coins struck by the same crews at the mint! Edited July 28, 2022 by Curtis JJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsyas Mike Posted April 16, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 16, 2023 I recently got a new Gallienus antoninianus and I had a difficult time attributing it. Rather than start a new thread, I hope it is okay to bring up this one, as it was so helpful to me (thank you, Herr Reinhardt and @chevalier for posting the link). It looks pretty basic - no fancy animal or legionary reference, just boring old Pax waving her branch. However, the P (not PF) in the obverse legend makes this fairly scarce one, at least given I couldn't find but one in OCRE and one in Reinhardt. Both sources disagree on mint location and, as far as I can tell, bust type - mine is definitely draped, but cuirassed too (per OCRE) or only draped (Reinhardt)? My efforts to attribute it are below - any corrections greatly appreciated: Gallienus Antoninianus (253-257 A.D.) See notes. Viminacium Mint (2nd emiss.) IMP GALLIENVS P AVG, radiate, draped (& cuirassed?) bust right / PA[X] AVGG, Pax standing left, holding branch and sceptre. RIC V Gallienus (joint r.) 391c; Göbl MIR 815o (draped?) (3.25 grams / 23 x 18 mm) eBay April 2023 $10.50 Note: OCRE says Mediolanum; draped & cuirassed, 257 A.D. GALLIENVS ANTONINIANII by Frank Reinhardt says Viminacium, 2nd emission, 253-257 A.D. The bust here described as draped only, (Bust: Vim 01, PCh2). Reverse Die-Matches: 2 examples in Reinhardt MIR 815o (draped obverse); MIR 815n (cuirassed obv.) appear to be reverse die-matches. If anybody else is having Gallienus attribution problems, feel free to pile on. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted April 17, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 17, 2023 Frank Reinhardt, aka Beachcomber or Beach Boy, passed away on November 10th 2021. He died in his second home Portimao in Portugal. RIP Mr.Reinhardt. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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