Amarmur Posted February 25 · Member Share Posted February 25 Hi thank you for the help in advance. You guys are incredible! I went a coin show and got 5 coins for $5 each. My favorite is the first one. 1. I believe this is Livia but I had 2 dealers tell me this portrait is of cleopatra vii. I couldn't find this type on wildwinds 2. Anastasius Follis minted in Antioch I think 3. Roman provincial of severan period emperess 4. Roman provincial of Augustus or Claudius 5. Elagabalus provincial with fancy script on the reverse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted February 25 · Member Share Posted February 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Amarmur said: 1. I believe this is Livia but I had 2 dealers tell me this portrait is of cleopatra vii. I couldn't find this type on wildwinds It's not Livia (and not Cleopatra, a dealer who tells you this should quit this activity). The obverse should be a generic portrait of the Senate. The reverse appears to be a female character holding a long torch. My guess is https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/2/1036 but you can investigate further based on these preliminary clues. 1 hour ago, Amarmur said: 2. Anastasius Follis minted in Antioch I think I am not into Byzantines but this looks correct - a specialist can confirm further. 1 hour ago, Amarmur said: 3. Roman provincial of severan period emperess Salonina, Apamea https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/type/84477 1 hour ago, Amarmur said: 4. Roman provincial of Augustus or Claudius This puzzled me but I suspect it's Antiochos IV of Commagene with Iotape on reverse, from Elaeusa-Sebaste. Style is similar and ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΑ is visible under the feet - check one of those https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?volume_id=&number=&city_id=472®ion_id=&province_id=&subprovince_id=&reign_id=&obverse_inscription_simplified=&reverse_inscription_simplified=&obverse_design=&reverse_design=iotape+seated+l.+&metal_id=&weight_min=&weight_max=&diameter_min=&diameter_max=&format= or from Corycus https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/3712A 1 hour ago, Amarmur said: 5. Elagabalus provincial with fancy script on the reverse Severus Alexander, Caesarea https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/6845 A suggestion for you, in fact 2. 1. Group your obverse/reverse pics. I have a pretty large monitor but it's not confortable to scroll to see the sides of the same coin especially if the pics are large and clear. Something like 2. Even if for ancients we all know that size and weight are variable even for 2 coins of the same type, the measurements are useful. Edited February 26 by ambr0zie 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewomack Posted February 26 · Supporter Share Posted February 26 The Anastasius I follis looks like it matches Sear 47 ("M" on reverse surrounded by 2 crosses, as opposed to Sear 48, which has a crescent to the right of the "M"). Apparently, the obverse legend can be blundered and I think the example shown might have some blundered lettering. In the picture, only the "X" of "ANTX" on reverse bottom seems visible. But, yes, it matches what looks like an Anastasius I from Antioch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted February 26 · Member Share Posted February 26 11 hours ago, Amarmur said: 1. I believe this is Livia but I had 2 dealers tell me this portrait is of cleopatra vii. I couldn't find this type on wildwinds Were they drug dealers? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted March 2 · Member Author Share Posted March 2 On 2/26/2024 at 4:56 AM, seth77 said: Were they drug dealers? Was pretty disappointed with the senate one but a cleopatra for $5 would be a little too crazy. Out of all of these I think the antiochos iv of commogene and Anastasius seem like the most interesting coins. The rest well maybe trade pieces or sell pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted March 2 · Member Share Posted March 2 You're welcome, glad to help anytime. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryro Posted March 3 · Supporter Share Posted March 3 On 2/26/2024 at 2:56 AM, seth77 said: Were they drug dealers? Yep. I call bullshit. Nobody, especially a dealer... led alone two dealers, told this guy that was Cleopatra VII. I don't know why he would lie about it on a forum filled with ancient coin collectors, but it's weird. Also, he didn't even show appreciation for the pro helping him identify his shwaggy coins. He just said how disappointed he was. Good parenting shows. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted March 3 · Member Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Ryro said: Yep. I call bullshit. Nobody, especially a dealer... led alone two dealers, told this guy that was Cleopatra VII. I don't know why he would lie about it on a forum filled with ancient coin collectors, but it's weird. Also, he didn't even show appreciation for the pro helping him identify his shwaggy coins. He just said how disappointed he was. Good parenting shows. It could've been worse: I was called names on a Facebook group some time ago for identifying a person's coin as something else than his pipe dream. Being taken for granted is not cool, but being insulted and verbally abused by illiterate would-be scammers testing the water is a few steps lower on the ladder to the bottomless pit of insanity that social media often can be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted March 3 · Member Share Posted March 3 (edited) You deserved it. I am being constantly approached by various people from Facebook groups to identify coins. Many write in foreign languages I don't speak, but hey, it's not a secret that we, as regular members on those groups, are paid for identifying coins, translating is not such an effort. So next time be kind and tell them what they want to hear. So I simply block them. But if I am an in a good, civic mood and I feel the need to earn my salary from the groups, I identify all their coins as Julius Caesar, aureus, very rare. Edited March 3 by ambr0zie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted March 4 · Supporter Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, Ryro said: Yep. I call bullshit. Nobody, especially a dealer... led alone two dealers, told this guy that was Cleopatra VII. I don't know why he would lie about it on a forum filled with ancient coin collectors, but it's weird. Also, he didn't even show appreciation for the pro helping him identify his shwaggy coins. He just said how disappointed he was. Good parenting shows. 2 hours ago, seth77 said: It could've been worse: I was called names on a Facebook group some time ago for identifying a person's coin as something else than his pipe dream. Being taken for granted is not cool, but being insulted and verbally abused by illiterate would-be scammers testing the water is a few steps lower on the ladder to the bottomless pit of insanity that social media often can be. 2 hours ago, ambr0zie said: You deserved it. I am being constantly approached by various people from Facebook groups to identify coins. Many write in foreign languages I don't speak, but hey, it's not a secret that we, as regular members on those groups, are paid for identifying coins, translating is not such an effort. So next time be kind and tell them what they want to hear. So I simply block them. But if I am an in a good, civic mood and I feel the need to earn my salary from the groups, I identify all their coins as Julius Caesar, aureus, very rare. Maybe I missed something, or maybe some posts were deleted, but reading the thread and @Amarmur's responses I don't think this kind of reaction is called for. He asked for ID help and received it. Sure, some thanks would have been appropriate, but it's hardly something to get that upset about. I've had some interactions with Amarmur and he's always been courteous and honest. Furthermore, he's been a pretty regular contributor here for over a year now - not at all one of those drive-by scammers fishing for a victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted March 4 · Member Share Posted March 4 @CPK - first, I did not take it personally (as we're on the Internet) but do you feel this attitude is OK? I know you for some years on these boards and I can bet you wouldn't act that way. 1. posting 5 coins where the preliminary assumptions were far from the truth 2. I (and another member) provide correct attributions 3. no reply, except the part with the disapointment after a few days. For me the solution is clear - I will only help in attributions when a member proves to be polite. I am sorry $5 coins are not $500 coins but this is life. The discussion between @seth77 and me was related to different scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPK Posted March 4 · Supporter Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, ambr0zie said: @CPK - first, I did not take it personally (as we're on the Internet) but do you feel this attitude is OK? I know you for some years on these boards and I can bet you wouldn't act that way. 1. posting 5 coins where the preliminary assumptions were far from the truth 2. I (and another member) provide correct attributions 3. no reply, except the part with the disapointment after a few days. For me the solution is clear - I will only help in attributions when a member proves to be polite. I am sorry $5 coins are not $500 coins but this is life. The discussion between @seth77 and me was related to different scenarios. I understand your feelings, and as I said certainly a word of thanks was in order. If someone routinely behaves like that I tend to lose interest in helping as well. All I'm trying to do is give Amarmur the benefit of the doubt - after all we all forget to say 'thank you' sometimes. As for the preliminary assumptions, we all start somewhere and what may be obvious to some of us isn't so much for a beginner. From my observations in the past I think the OP is an honest contributing member and I'd hate to see him piled on just because of this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarmur Posted March 4 · Member Author Share Posted March 4 Thank you for helping me Id the coins. Yes it happens, I'm not fishing for the victim. I got it from 1 dealer, went around to some other tables for help with attribution. It is reasonable to misidentify the senate coin as cleopatra because the portrait is actually very similar. Dealers are just people, even ancient coin dealers aren't experts on everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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